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Our second part on Lords and Ladies, exploring evolving literary and cultural representations of elves and fairies through the works of William Shakespeare, J. R. R. Tolkien, T. H. White, Lord Dunsany, Rudyard Kipling and more!

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We compare game and thetreatment of Shakespeare to that of prached and wards and ladies and wealso examine the history of Shakespeare and comics and fairy illustration: fairconnections to the underwells and bargains, the history of Puck and hisreverse Pandora Tokens opinions on fantasy and drama, as well as theorigins of drag and the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Among otherthings, I will be putting out a preview of the first part of that episode inthe coming weeks. But since this is a bonus episode, the full thing will notbe uploaded to the public feeds. So if you want to hear the rest of that, youwill have to sign up to the patron. Oh, we do mention a couple of times in thisepisode that we're going to look at the representation and treatment of fairiesin Edman Spencer's epic poem. The Fairy Queen, which we managed to bring up avery episode anyway, seems like an appropriate place to discuss it here,given that this episode focuses on historical on literary depictions offairies and Fairy Queens, but we were waiting on a few extra resources fromthe libra things and for those at Ranae were in Melbourne Victoria in Australia,which is currently in the middle of, I think, l, six lockdown and a couple ofweeks else, and I will both be spitting. Our second birthdays in as many yearsin lockdown and yes, there's been a bit of a delay, getting some resources andthings. So the plan was to record that once we had the books and then editedinto the episode, but we still haven't got the resources and things yet. Sowhen we do end up getting those resources, we will recording at Dendothat I will put out on the public feed separately and then edit it into theepisode a future. But if you're hanging out to hear so very queen analysis, wehaven't actually recorded that yet because of corvet, given just how longand in depth this nail game and bonus episode ended up being, there may be abit of a delay on the next proper episode on maskrade cause. Also Aliceworks about four different jobs and is and is up to her neck and marking andthings at the moment, so she's very busy, but we'll get it out as soon aswe can and the people who will get it first before anyone else are the peopleon the patron. So if you want that as soon as it's ready go and sign up there,just like Dan again, that is patrono Dr Prometheus pody. Thanks for yoursupport, so I'm Josh and I now were Anton academicals with back part, twoon bars and, ladies, which were not really going to talk about laws and,ladies at all, so much a little bit as I sort of tried to clarify at the endof the last podcast we're in the merit where we're looking from PRATCHETToutside. So we're using lots. And, ladies as a Lens to look at talk about the origins of elves andfairies and their influential treatments by talking Shakespeare, Kipplaying Edmund Spencer and more also, I said this wasn't going to be a threepart that we're hoping to do a bonus episode about Nel, Gamins, midsummernight's dream. So if you're expecting to hear something about that here, it'sgoing to be in the bonus episode, so we won't be covering that, but yeah we'regoing to be talking a lot about elves and they're changing representationover the years els. How do you feel about out they're? Fine? I guessthey're, fine! You got a favorite Elf. I have my favorite off was my bestfriend who was a dark out in his lopping community Halo. Can I have aGod? What does he have a specific character? Yeah it's like, and he makescostumes for himself and he drove half way across Melbourne for a sword tofall up then. So you know, I appreciate the the Hustle. This is row and yourcar host on your other podcast o the podcast, which you should all go acrossand listen to were about to do book night of Paradise. Last fool I mean, Isaid last episode, I like a Good Dark Elf a- and I realize I'm mostly justtalking about how way to s is pretty sick. Okay, that's where I'm at I nevergot into the DRISKOLS. That's a bit of a fantasy hole. In my my knowledge, thewhat drift? No I haven't either that so drust is, is the Dark Holf Guy? Okay,because interist is of dungeons and dragons character. Of course, that's inthe forgotten realms thing that there's a whole book series and he's like yourbroody dark off man, so you probably fit pretty well into your hole, duckher here S, yeah, very popular and other. I believe it's the S. I thinkMattie's read the books, but I haven't,...

...and I feel like I feel like there's aspecific window for getting into dressed, like it's sort of early teensso of time, and I've passed that, but also I've been on a big Elf carebecause we're about to discover I've read every book. That's ever beenwritten about elves in the last month, so except for the Driss one. So maybe Ineed to go that in while I'm in the mood yeah yeah. So along with with allthe books about elves themselves. I've also read a bunch of histories of elvesand fairy literature, the most accessible and comprehensive, which wasprobably Norman, tell r one thousand nine hundred and ninety six article.Where do elves go to about token and a fantasy tradition, where he tracesdeveloping representations of a north, Western European outer race, who arewiser and more in touch with both natural powers and magical power forwhom he considers the most satisfactory term to be Elf, since fairy has becomedegraded and miniaturized. Obviously, what projects talking aboutin Lords and ladies which Talbot calls the most brilliant, sustained attackupon the prestige, morality and personal hygiene of the high elves yeahthis article specifically about the tokens representation of of elves,which I think as much as loves and ladies is this meant, is primarily aparody of a midsomer stream and Shakspeare. What preched is reallywriting back against is the token depiction notes. She comes long in th S,and indeed in e one thousand. Nine hundred and ninety two hill comeprogram book say elves were bastards, which is the one we were talking aboutwhere he has a go at Disneyland and everything he begins. This has aclaiming that he was coming to hate being called a fantasy writer, sincethe genre had become over Rome with so much rounded worship of my numbing myth,smileless recycling of ancient cycles and unthinking escapism, and he claimsto have been particularly incensed by a recently written fantasy book where, inone character, told another character he will grow. Wroth and and projecttook offence to this kind of haughty, Tauty topas language. I can't find whatbook he's talking about yeah. I can only find the line he will go: Wroth, NN, one thousand nine hundred and twenty PLA called Bekasi is untold tale byHarry Kemp, okay, one thousand nine hundred and Tirty two book of poetryand One Thousand Eight hundred and ninety one article from a New YorkMedical Journal. That's what comes up if you just throw this froze intoGoogle, so I don't know which book he's talking about here, but I thinkpractice point is. This is any book that you could pick up of a famae inthe early is, but yes, he particularly takes aim at all the talken worshipperswho claims have reheated tokens work until the magic has boiled away so he'svery explicitly positioning himself against Talkin worship here and Lordsand, ladies, is his attempt to reclaim elves who he describes as cruelbastards and claims were never noble, and he draws on a vast history of fairytale. Literature to do so, which we're going to examine now so, as mentionedin part, one project befriended the freckle of discord, cur authorJacqueline Simpson, while researching for Cape Jugum, which led him to givingthe British for close society s Tousand, nine hundred and ninety one catronbrigs memorial, Lecta, titled, Imaginary, Wolves, real stories cooland there he recalls tearing through his local libraries for claw sectionlike a chainsaw calling brees dictionary of Friesan Fable, the firstand last resort in matters of a mythical nature. In fact, project wrotethe forward to the Millennium Edition, also pus, ione thousand nine hunded andninety nine, where in he considers some of the dull aments and more obscureclassical items struck from the new edition to make room for more up todate. References like Gandolf, which I'm surprised that took nine thousandnine hundred and ninety nine for Ganat, be answered. Yeah significant,canonical, fantasy figure. There that's fifty years, basically yeah, but procedhoped that a preservation edition might one day be released so that thisdetritus of myth and legend is not for ever lost. So here again he's trying toreclaim the old Foka traditions and inded one thousand nine hundred andninety nine entry on owls is markedly different from one thousand ninehundred and eighty nine one huand nine hundred and ninety one versions thatwould have been available to project when he was running lords and, ladies,so both the earlier and Millennium Editions Describe Alves as originallydwarfish beings of German origin who are possessed of magical powers whichthey use for the good or ill of mankind. So yeah. This is this indifferent or amoral version of alls were getting in Lords and ladies yea and the dictornotes of the name was later used for a malignant im and then for fairycreatures that dance on the grass in the full mood and so on. That's adirect quote from dictionary. It's a dictionary. You don't have to bespecific in a dictionary, Gosh Yeah and they specifically quote the descriptionfrom Shakespeare's midsummer night's dream that says every elfin fairysprite Hop as light as a bird from a briar. So here we're seeingShakespeare's midsummer, I treein the petray of fairies and elves there beingthe definitive ar example, come one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine,which, by the way, something I news, clarify a fairy. These terms have beenused, interchangeably, er, pretty much until taken. I think, Talkin's theturning point where he goes now. This is what an Elf is, and he gets reallyeasy about people, editors, changing Alf with a v T, l with an F and thingshe gets all offended yeah. We have that with Dwarf and dwarven yeah. Thatdoesn't surprise me. I mean he was a linguist, so it makes sense that thatwas what he was appeny about, so we will go into that in a bit more detailo in the following section. But yes,...

...when we are throwing around fairy andAl for essentially talking about the same thing unless we're talking aboutpost taken the earlier entries in Bros Dictionary. However, I connect thewords Elphin Goblin etymologically with the thirteenth century Italian factions,Gos, gibbles, wealths and GIBBELINS. This is all in Donte. This is so cool.Well, tell me about don't I like there's no alms in Dante, but arewe talking in Fenooa pain to get a? It was an important conflict, politicalconflict that led to a lot of the characters and the representationof characters in Dante, devine comedy. So That's interesting, yeah, becausethe take away I got from that was that this is why elves and Goblins, which wesee again in token, are ope on opposite sides. They're, actually analogies orderived from opposing factions, originally well interesting and bringthat up, because that was something else Peter suggested, and this, Ishould say, is just Peter's opinion. So don't add him Peter Groves is the Shakespeare man atMonachis. We were talking about it and I said well: Where do where do youthink Alves come from? Do you know like, but what your take on it and he said that he thinks that als the way colonizing and like old, old olike three, you know, three, even ancient Greek colonizers would refer toindigenous inhabitants that they pushed off lane whenever they moved in,because they'd come back and you know fuck with everything because theywanted their land back, and so they gave them the sort of malignantcharacterization to the maself yeah. That's that's where he thinks the ideahas come from, and I just thought that was interesting and worth repeating.Even if there's nothing to it, because I could inverted later like when wewere talking about the Ark, the okbar colonies, to it, the savage races orwhatever, and we're also going to see we're going to talk a little bit aboutthe Authurian legends. Where then, the British start to identify wisout as AL,but that's because they've been dispossessed yeah they're trying toreclaim their land and heritage from like the normans and the picks andthings ye exactly yeah, that's where he was sort of talking about it was likeyeah, celts and picks and things and even older than that so yeah, anotherorigin, perhaps for the term Alf is the North Alpha and German l, which meansnightmare, which the Millennium Edition of Bros dictare connects to the Germansuccubi. What's the difference between a German occupy, an dour other averageSakumi? Oh, no, the the SUCCIBI wasn't German. The term ELP W, but is sayingthat this is in German, is connected to the idea of the psychephone. I havedecided it's Sucky by not suchet ses, because I remembered the Cratloe B, Sicollections called bit of sweets to succubi bites. Wats de sack you at myGod. Yes, as I mentioned, although distinguished in modern fantasy infootball, the terms of elphin ferry were traditionally used interchangeablyto refer to the same sort of creature. You know think think about likeChristmas elves, we Christmas elves Belles what make centers a right: okay,San e ous yeah. So when we say all their elves right, we not thinkingabout talking as high archery. No, no. We think it like these littlemischievous sprits almost, but as Japuin Simpson explains in hertwo thousand a d eleven article on the ambiguity of elves. The GERMANIC word,Elf was a standard word in English until the thirteenth century, whereasgradually phased out in favor of the French ferry or fat, so theirdistinction later become solidified through token. But this is, they wereoriginally Alvan, the thirteen a century they become fairies and thenlater on in the twentieth century, they become separate ideas, but the oldestcitation of fairy in the OD comes from the anonymous middle English Palm, soOrfeo from about n Thire hundred and thirty there's different manuscriptsand things, but there's some other examples, also from a thire hundred andthirty. But this is the original literary example of it and so off. Imight be known to Mon Fantasy Raiders because it was translated by talkinghimself I postumus ly. So that most well known version of sorrar now isfiltered through talking, and it's also the first thing I ever taught as atertiary educator yeah. Do you want you've? Read this as well yeah I mean I was sitting in on the unit the year youtaught it. You were in my classes, though, who said, as I came to thelectures and things I was going to go to Chris as but then I push it out,they should have come in. We could have been like for absolutely should havewell yeah. I was going to say: Do you want to do you want to give a summaryof the story or the broad summary King, offa's, wife, Queen and Heritici, fallsasleep under a tree and is kidnapped by fairies, so alfio enters into anunderworld like very quin kingdom, to rescue her? They lived like hoits inthe woodness for a decade until a former servant at the bad slash peakand discovers them and restore to the throne yeah. So it's essentially a mashup of orpheus be very focal and a bit of the book of Daniel in there, as wellwith the King Wandering in the Wilderness, that a leaning to be morehumble sort of thing. It's interesting to me, because when the king of fairiesfirst sided, he is hunting in the woods with a pack of dogs and other fairyhanders. We we say aluck sor, like...

...action nostrat. No, I don't know ifit's relevant. It's in Avid, I think. There's some other versions, butfamously act on is hunting in the woods with all of these hunting friends andhis dogs, and then he happens to see Diana Baling with her nymph friends andDiana gets really offended and then sets his own dogs on him. No, it turnshim into a dear and then his dogs ate him is that Roer yeah, because Diana isvery much like the far tradition and Diana Coles with the Din as the huntinggoddess right, yes and the goddess of chastity and Motherhood Yeah. So thisis all tied up with ferry fo car, as we saw last episode, there's like aconnection between Alves and fairies and hand hunting. But it's interestingto me because it says that although he's hunting in the wods with a pack ofdogs and other fairy hunters, it says yet never a beast. They took nor slew,so their hunters who aren't hunting like it's sort of a peace with nature,almost vegetarian thing, but they are the hunter. I got ideals it's strangenow I get that that was my chatted yeah, so they're represented as sort of thispeaceful nature Sprat. But then, when we get to the Kingdom of ferry, do youwant to read this one since you're, good at poetry, so alfio began to gazeabout and so within the walls, a rat of folks that, whether they're drawn belowand maunders dead, but one of so for some of their stood, who had no headand some no arms nor fit some blood and at and through their bodies? Winds wereset and some were strangled as they ate and some way raving, chained and bound,and some in water had been drowned and some were withered in the fire and someone horse and it was attire and why is there lay in their child bed and madwith some and some would do and passing many their lay beside as though theyslept at quiet noon. Tide. That's in the ward, was each one caught andthither both ary magic bout. So we got. We got walls of tortured ferries andthings. So when I was teaching this, I was right in the middle of my hall rays.A kick, I was gonna say I'm going God. This is how raiser thatthe CENOBITES, the fairies of the uncaring, hedonistic spirits who comeand talk to you for fun, as pressure, would say also bastards they were theyare. Oh, do you know about Sir Gawaine? This is what I meant to read and Inever got around to it a little bit. I don't know if I remember the storyfully an now it's about to come out as a movie. Oh okay, I can look this upand we can record it and add it in for the same man thing yeah. It was wellactually why you mentioned the same man thing this. This image from Sir Afyo isvery similar to the way hell is depicted in no game and San an we areokay, so matros up to a wall of just made out of tortured bodies and things.So you know apparently there's some reference to elves in Baola Circle Way,but I couldn't find it from a brief search I didn't get around to readingSir Gawaine. Also another fir theory, I thought you might find interesting isthat, according to and Catherine Briggs Extend, I e one thousand nine hundredand seventy eight investigation, the vanishing people and Scottish andCeltic mythology and folk law often posits that fairies are fallen angels,who Yeue by Satan and got stuck on earth during the descent. To helpthat's better. We should go with that, so they were getting a directconnection between devils and fairies in Scandanavia. They are more commonlyconsidered the hidden children of Eve or some that's better yeah, bringing itaround. Definitely Antonio Lalas also suggests fairies as being anothersource for the witch in her aspect as the wild woodland sorcerers and thatthey are almost but not entirely human and have power over animals and lovemischief. Sir All there's this devil fairy of which iconography is allmasted and tired until we have a sort of one fantasy, delineates, the bulk, along time. These are all aspects of the same sort of Foca ideas, but it's bothTalbot and Stephanie, give it observe very stories and most often reinterpretations of two specific old English ballads being Tamlin and Thomas.The Rama. Do you know either of the useless? Is the only thing I put a notenext to him and was like I've never heard of this before a right. We'lltalk more about these specifically Tam Lin, which is the Song Magaretremembers about the woman who jolly well got on her horse and went andrescued her fiance when he's Kiaya. That's that's the story of town limb,but this provides the foundation for the first to facing level the wee freemen. So you remember that one okay cool that was one of my favorite yeah, we'lltalk about that more when we get to that book in four years, because we cando the Tiaki books right, O all ye, but Thomas Romer is a very similar story,except that no one goes to rescue Thomas from offand. These a Tamlin andThomas the Rama. The names of the two characters that kidnapped by the fairyqueen so in Talon his fiance goes, are rescues him and tell us the ROM. An noone goes to rescue him and he's Ensencialmente as the ferry queens wardfor seven years, but then he's returned later out of time so times passed forevery one else, but he comes a still is I office? You orthis is takin it fromthat court and, as we'll see Gamin also gaming, yes yeah yeah, but he comesback and he as he has an age, and he has enhanced powers of art and prophecy.So it's a bit more pertinent to lords and, ladies through the powers that thefairy queen offers to granny weather works and Dimanda, but it's still morerelevant to the way free men. So we also come back to it then, but usuallyyeah. These are you two modes of English off stories that you have goingforward from here. A someone's been captured by the else we have to go.Rescue them, which is Sarrope as well...

...or someone's, been mysteriously takenaway by Alves is a prisoner that comes back and powered or two modes ofstories, and I think Lords and ladies, is sort of more directly criticizingthe second one and resisting the Elf Queen offers of empowerment. That'sfair, yes, and it's sympaty and stuff that it's the temptation story, thetemptation thing again, but it's fastly in the sense that you do have to giveup the one thing you love like. That's the interesting thing about fasters, Ithink, is at the end. You know if he goes from being the Scollan knowseverything to all born my books, which a is just travesty, but be it reallyshows that it's not just his soul is his very being that has been corruptedputting us for all of this, keep it at will bottle and then store it for whenwe get to gaming, that's exactly what he's dealing with yeah. So that's youbackground image of the Alta prachers trying to reassert in lords of ladiesand but what is more directly subverting is the Shakespeare, anversion of fairies from it. Some nights dream, but also J tokens are archetypalhigh elves, who have become one of the dominant figures of moderata literatureas Talbot States. Any story in which ALF LAC beings are thoroughly menacing,cruel or different. Human ethics is almost forced to avoid both the tornoff and any hint of direct influence from taking so much of good elves nowidentified with his work interesting. I think that's that's true to an extent,although way I disagree with it. In theory, I think maybe people are underselling tokens depiction of also or simplifying it. As we'll get to ratherthan English fairy folk tokens, elves are far more to the north traditionsand eleventh century Isolatin Palms, which tell of masculine God like Alphaor ac or Vana, which are words that Takina opts for the summer really inthe thirteenth century. mythographers snory Stillson might be now anotherproject to off there, along with not our notson like it if they had cameosin one of the books, but snory Stilson tells of that tells of light elves andsubterranean black skin dark halls, which has become a fairly commonfantasy truck right. This is the how way too, Thou to representation of theDIA. The dress thing, however, Simpson, says that no other contemporary sourcesmention any dikes at all. I haven't been able to verify this myself so intrusting her, but the spectral speculates that still so might actuallybe referring to diworces. Okay, Talbot also notes that dark elves are usuallyportrayed as been smaller than humans in the Icelandic and nos traditions,although he describes them as Arklike, rather than woven noting that birthdayand the light elves who he describes as being not much interested in orrespectful of contin models like us or solace, or so the Christian norse calmsashore. So this is the thing takens doing here with the the dark holes haveno souls there: a corruption of the Lidell and that and that sort of thing,but he's saying they're still represented as smaller than human. Soit's a lot of stuff going on there. I don't care. I can dash that the dotalFino is a smaller than average human I'll pull for. One he's. Gonna lovethis, but talking cells were norse andAbrahamic traditions. Okay, so they are the first born race of Middle Earth,Creata God a Louvet, so they're, essentially angels, but he follows thenorse tradition in having both light and dark alls, although they are notdiametrically opposed as the north messages. There are the westernCaliquen di who come from a paradise like realm, where they live in thelight given off by the two trees of Valinor and the eastern Mariken. I whoare dark because they simply don't live in the light of the tree they're, notnecessarily evil. Just there's the als of live in the light. I was a live inthe dark. Maybe this is sort of the dwarf thing we're getting from thenorth stuff. It's also, you know, there's some politics of color and racegoing on there and that you have the western light elves and the east anddark elves m stuff happening there hang on won't want it, because that'ssomething tovies, not that Hay. I was like Windy, that's Italian! For So, andthen I with double checked. It doesn't matter. Do I well the West, some wireelves call themselves the Quindi which the it means I in Tokens, language,those that speak with voices for as yet they had met no other living thingsthat spoke or saying. So this to me recalls genesis right names, all theanimals, because he can speak, and this is a thing in animal. I thinks thatpeople often argue that humans are superior to know human animals, because,precisely because of the power of language and naming, but I'm like Adamthere, Talkin elves are hunters. They are not these peaceful and Paradisicegans because again, he's probably drawing on the British traditions there.But, ironically, they themselves are hunted by the hunter. Who is Mor offthe dark Lord, who turns them into the OX? There's a lot of yeah hunting andhunters going on there. There are also graves who are exiled to middle earth,so this is like the fule thing. Nevertheless, as Talbot aggiesgenerally, there are no bad ells in Talkin stories and that, however, proudunforgiving, our impulsive all are devoted enemies of evil, with anycaught up in the works of Morgoth or later Sarah, and so a Repoli marredthat the term Elf can no longer apply, which is where we get awkes thing. IsYou can't have a bad alf, because once an ough goes bad, it's a differentorder thing. So this is where we get awks from and as we discussed inepisode, one on Antin academicals talking gets the word or from the off.I go in to a bit more on a second, but...

...also something I found is William.Blake also uses the word, or do you know about this? No, I will just saywhen you're reading, William Blake, he is essentially creating a fantasy worldwith absurd names. It's very difficult to keep up. So I hang on. I didn't gotoo far into this. I was hoping you might know about it, because it seemslike it's a big thing. If you go to Orcas, this is just the opening linefrom wikipedia or cause a proper name for one of the characters in thecomplex mythology of William Blake. He is a foreign figure, the embodiment ofrebellion and stands opposed to WHO's risen. And now you pointed out yes he's essentially like Satan, and hecalls him all yeah, no you're right how. Why did that come up with my brainearlier? Sorry? So so you do know this here, where yeah, I know Al that Iisn't yeah interesting. Okay, but not alk, so much I mean he is just the not anti. This is character. He's thebad guy yeah, well, that the picture at the top there and the wikipedia VerySatan atonic yeah yeah. So I found something I think I was some one toTalkin's letters or somewhere, where it was saying that William Blake or maybe-and I I haven't been able to re- find this thing. I was just something I readdidn't write down and then I haven't been able to find it again, but I thinkthey were saying that William Blake also got awk from Bayol so that he andTalkin did the same thing. The talk it didn't realize and then later someonepointed it out to him was like Oh shit. Now. I remember this now because I didsome work on Blake when I first started to say if like because, obviously he'sa big Milton Fan boy, but I was like M Doany, these characters, are theyreally satanic, Curos and Ark was the closest because he does eventually turninto a snake. I remember this now, which would have been rather than a fewepisodes to go. Please are works in progress as we disclaim so yeah, maybeWilliam Blake got from Babel, but talking definitely got it from Bay Bawa.So, as we discussed in the unseen academic episodes talk and translates,the passage ran, beowald of cane all evil brudes were born, Ogres andGoblins and haunted ships of hell and the giants too, that long time, Wardwith God and he's translating ocnus there as the haunting ships of hell andthat's what we get ox ran. How about symson translates the same passage butto translate the children of Canas oves rather than goblets, because we weretalking about yeah, the Simial, similar linage of Goblins and on Awks that aretied up in talking and ansering. Academics were here she say no, theelves of the children of Cain as well as things. So I check the original wordand it's Elf that you are why well, maybe, because Elf had thepositive convoi, so they wanted to give it a negative connotation to work withthe cane evil, broods and things yeah. So on now, how token gets Goblin,instead of Elf, besides him editorializing in one to frame elves asgood being so they can't be the children of Cane Yeah. I don't thinkthat's yeah the words out, so we children of Cain in Beowulf and ourbrothers of the shapes of hell, demons, awks and indeed Tokat- acknowledgesthat the author of Bar Wolf once derive the Alf, the very elves, through canefrom Adam in his lecture on fairy stories, which will talk more aboutlater, so some very curious translations going on there fromtalking and bringing cane into it, which is a less fine. I'm going to notehere that Talbot says that the history and values of Talkin's Alpes arerepresented. disgorgeous empoigne, with even their past faults intrigue,especially pride, although he says, admittedly, the NOTA bias of the simaraprobably exaggerates this dominance. So I think what he's saying there is totranslate all that is that the Summer Ealing is written from an Elfperspective, so he's suggesting that there's something there that Talkin'shistory is knowingly not an objective. History of the Alsit is an alphiussister of balls. I'm not actually sure about that. I didn't really read thisill marillion and I think it is framed as an objective thing that he'ssuggesting that perhaps there's some kind of Authori voice going on there,I'm not sure. Last time I read it, I was eighteen, so I can't yeah I'vedipped in and out where things are elevant, but I didn't go back andconfirm that someone will email us. Hopefully I mean if you know let usknow, however, in a litter to Nay Mitcheson, who we've talked about fromSeptembre Hsin hundred and fifty four. So just before the two hour, two towerscomes out, so the fellowship of the rings been published and he'scomplaining, because you remember, you complained about people, notunderstanding the elves and the awks yeah he's complains to her aboutreviewers, who called the whole thing. Simple minded interpreting it as just aplain fight between good and evil, with all the good just good and the bad justbad, pointing out the moral complexity of Boroma and stating the elves are notwholly good or in the right. So talk and say he didn't intend them to bewholly good creatures, and he says he longs to clarify this with the writtenbut unpublished, Elvin Histories. That became the Supercilia. You imaginebeing talking editor they're like all right. We need you to take out athousand pages he's like no everything's essential. I am theypublish the Sumerians Tree Yeah. It's it's crazy and taken says that throughthe rebellion of created free will the preceded the creation of middle earthand sub creatively introduced evil, rebellions and discordant elements ofits own nature that, although elves May in May turn into ork still elvesthemselves could do evil deeds. So, although it's been set up interpretedinterpreted like we said before that,...

...crup dales become ax, he say no elvescan still be bad. That's at least what he intended, although whether it madeits way into the books is another story. The fluttering of Elf morely perhapscomes from subsequence simplified talkings fantasies such as Terry Brookslong standing and popular Chenar series. Do you know this one? Everyone tells meto write it, and I read it, and I know it's on. I went like so I haven't yeahnow it's one I didn't know about it, but it's. I always see it in secondhand, book stores and I think Maddie's Tad's get some old copies. So it's likeS, Yeah Banas fans and the there was a TV series. It was like one of the firstones. When Dave thrones got popular, they were like Shita, it's going to bethe next game of thrones and I think everdy catched the first coupleepisodes and it was terrible yeah, but yes yeah. I think you're right to notread. There is because Talbot says they provide an extraordinary example ofwhat bloom calls Clinian, which is metaphoric theft, MEDICO, metamorphictheft, saying that Brookes Shitara series is a shameful formulae rehash ofmajor aspects of the water, the rings but Brooks as Alf suffer even more fromthe comparison than the rest of the Togda ill expressed in aver Brittenconcoctions, adding that his comments are derived only from the first threebooks and that there are more, but life is too short correct. That's a prettybig academic pack down he's laying on the snarks rout there yeah. So, alongwith the just Ales in general, what PRECIS,really focusing on in lots and, ladies, is the image of the Fairy Queen Herself,which is represented in Lord of the Rings by Glade, the Alvan Lady ofLaurian, so she's, not the queen of all elves, but she and her husband,sellabrated described as very tall, the lady no less told than the Lord, andthey were grave and beautiful. They were clad holy and white, and the hairof the lady was of very deep gold. But no sign of age was upon them unless itwere in the depths of their eyes the wells of deeper memory, so we're havingthis notion of the Al Seductive Glamour, but also the idea of their seductivesinging, which we see in talking in the Fort La stuff and not talking the fuck.The cratchit and the fir Lal stuff is also preserved in talken through gladasvoice, which is described as clear and musical but deeper than women's want.So we are getting something of these yeah. I've been saying a farious, butseductive, and almost almost yeah dangerous tempting helps in gladioshe's. Not just this. Oh good thing, but she's also represented as the ArianBeautiful Lady Yeah Samas Gang Old Sam. He also tells Barminster Ferme. Do youwant to read this one yeah, I trades with us an it, but I tried and it yeahanyway, I N S. L with the same accent. Okay, now got taree. What he sounds like I Ioh master is that I eageh Oh master. You should see her. Indeed, you should,sir. I am only a hobbit and gaddings my job at home, sir, if you understand me,I'm just getting Irish I'm doing Chris, but and I'm not much good at poetry. SoI can't tell you what I mean it ought to be Sune. I wish I could make a songabout her beautiful she's, Sir lovely, sometimes like a great tree and flower.Sometimes like a white dafadar dealing, that's an actual thing. I did checkthat that is on the top back, sometimes like a white deffidend, dilly small andslender, like that was very lepoko hard as diamond soft as moonlight warmer suncold as frosting the stars proud and far off as a snow mountain and as merryas any lass. I ever saw with daisies in her hair in springtime, but that's alot of nonsense and I'll wide off my mark San, so she's, saying thatgladaters e Elf Queen, is so beautiful that he can't even describe it and thatthe only way to describe it is through poetry and song. You know yeah, I kinprojecs doing something with that, so she is being represented as thisamazing beautiful good lady. But there are those who doubt her greatness andgood intentions in Topino when first encountering the fellowship andlearning of their allegiance to collage. The human leader of the riders of RoanAma warns that there are old tales of a lady in the Golden Wood which claimthat few escape her nets, accusing the fellowship of being net weavers andsorcerers themselves, since they have her favor, so yeah, very, very pretas.There to which the dwarf gimble responds. If you have a chance to seethe lady Galadia with Your Eyes Weight, do we have a Gimli voice? What doesKenley sound like really, I did say ye got to do gime. I don't know if I can, if ever youchance to say that lady no, I can't that's not that's Fucini, he's angryand small. If ever you chance to see the lady Galada with your eyes, thenyou shall icnow here. The fairest of ladies for our friendship will end. Ithink I went no, it wasn't. It was terrible. I went like real angry betterthan mine he's just like drunk the question I want to put to you offSam and Gimble, seduced by gladas Glamor, and then perhaps that's thewhole thing right. We don't know, but probably, but also men like prettythings. I mean they're, definitely seduced by her, but also the outcome ofa lot of the rings was suggesting they were right to be so right. She is aswell intentioned as she appears yeah, there's no actual mention of Glamour inLord of the Rings. The word itself. Nevertheless, Boroma ous is alsosuspicious saying that he does not feel...

...too sure of this elvish lady, in herpurposes with Arragon. Similarly warning him to speak nor evil of ladyGladiole, while insisting that there isn't her and in this land no evil.Unless a man bring it hither himself there you go well Barmera the one withdishonest intentions who gives in to the temptation of the ring. So likehe's not really we're not meant to trust what he thinks, but there arepeople going hey. You guys have just really taken by this lady's beauty andyou're, not really stopping to question. What is she yea and when offered theone room by photo? Who is also taken in by her goodness he's like? Well, I'mjust a little Dwarf Albert say: Why Give It to me? I you give it to this.Magical is magical health. Queen Glede wants him that, can you deceits inplace at the dot for you will set up between and I shall not be drunk butpitiful and trerons in the morning of the night. There is the sin, the sin ofthe snow from the bout dreadful as the storm and the lightning stronger thanthe foundations of the also love me just spare, so to steal your joke for ano. We Love Josh without despair, never bea all right. Sorry, so yeah she's acknowledging that she would becorrupted she's not as pure as all these people are saying m. So I thoughtit was interesting. She also already has the powerful ring at Nina the ringof adamant. That is the strongest. We know this, it's a strong metal, butit's the it's, the chains that hold Satan and how it is. I think it'scomethe as well. It's also about war boy close, I made out of that a manyeah, so she has the ring of adamant, so she's resisted that temptationalready that the temptation of the one ring itself is too much, but she tellsphoto that if he succeeds in destroying the one ring the now power will bediminished and loft lorium will fade and the tides of time the sweep it away.We must depart into the West or dwindle to a rustic folk of Dell and caveslowly to forget and to be forgotten. So this is what happens in las anladies yeah right, she's saying. If you we get our power from these dark rinsthat are or they're not dark, rins, but they're corrupting their powerful.Their temptation. Power is craped. This is where I draw my pall from and if youdestroy that, not only will my power with her but the memory of the elves,all she says we, our power will be Dobini. Els will fade and become thesefote figures that dwelling caves and have forgotten so yeah. I thoughtthat's interesting and I do think there's definitely more going on withglad and the elves in talken ban. His reviewers are giving him credit forsaying it's just black and white. Morally, I think that's it. She alsohas a mirage. Has the mirror where you look in and see your temptations andthings? So it's all IT'S A SUP! It's a SIP, as I mentioned before, Talkin hasan inflomation thousand nine hundred and tirty nine lectural essay called onfairy stories where he maintains the indifference of owls to human goings onso in the in this lecture he says that Ellis are not primarily concerned withUS humans, nor we with them and as he know, it's very stories seem to havebecome fashionable soon after the great voyages have begun to make the worldsing too narrow to hold both men and elves. So this is the same thing withscience fiction as well in Utopian licture, because you toke originally inTollis more you go off and you find an island. That's never been discoveredbefore and now it's amazing this new land, Australia, sort of the last placefor Britain to colonize and everything. So a lot of the last utopias from thelate nineteenth century are all about. How Australia's has this paradise inthe middle of us and that's where the colony is going to be a no other thing?And after that, after they find out? It's all desert yeah! That's! When youget a lot of science fiction, kicking off and parallel wells and space andthings because it's like well we're out of land, so talking saying this- thatthe same thing happens with fairy stories once Britain sort of colonizedeverything- and we know that we've got a map of the world. Well, where do weset our adventure stories, whereas yeah new land? Well, it's in the parallelworld of Fairy Talkin actually says that elves as science fictional, ratherthan fantastic in stories where humans can breed with and may have evolvedfrom them, likening them to the molars and ela in t wells is time machine whoare mentally evolved from humans eight hundred thousand years in the future.So he's saying that yeah a lot of futtock deposits that humans haveevolved from this old race of elves and I become less powerful time. So yousaying it's just the same: Eight hundred years ago there was elves theycan't geese in the future. There will be more locks, it's the same sort ofthing yeah. I sort of agree with this. I don't in that I mean Andrew Nona. Mysupervisor would argue that science fiction and fantasy traditions that arejust whatever people call science fiction science fiction it's to to escience fiction readers. Do you hear that outwood it's a selective tradition is, is thewet he is which is he borrows from Raymond lames? But if you're trying topin down science fiction rather than aesthetic saying the fantasies is elvesand science fiction is future Moses talking is agreeing with what a lot oftheorists would say. Is it about the method? This is the COBONAS traganthing. If you can reason that elves, if you can connect them to the real worldand humans, then they're more science fiction than fancy which, what's hisname, Lewis kind of does with no yeah starts off. I mean there is aconnection where you go through a copet into another world, but that's justsome magical handwaving stuff, but later on, he revises it to be all aboutcontemn things and the magician's...

...nephew. That's yeah, Talkin and Lewis,especially, were already sort of deliberately blurring the lines ofscience fiction and fancy, as they were, establishing them, and I learned theother day that they're talking this planning on writing a book. I can'tremember what it's called. Oh it's in the same man in the dream world. Thereis a library of books that were never written, which is another thing hesteals from cratchit and one of those books. I wish I had the issue up, so Ican tell you what it was. One of those books is a book. Talkin never wrote buthad mentioned writing, which was about was meant to bring Nania and the Lordof the ridings, or meant to connect those worlds and the our world. So hewas doing the big like Mc. U Yeah by e Lord of the Rings Universe andconnected, I'm so glad he never wrote that say in this lecture he also claimsthe Barwel is only a version of a grins ferry towel, usually translated eitheras the GNOME or the elves. Now I read this story while researching for whichis abroad, because I had the way als in it, but as the editors of my additionsay, it bears petially no resembling so it's about like Christmas elves thathelp a lady and then she's like, oh think, selves. I don't know what it hasto do with Bael, but Talkin actually produced his own fairy. Tell version ofbaroff called Selik spell, which was meant to be published in the WealthReview, but the magazine folded and it remained unpublished until th, twothousand and fourteen. So very recently, I did read this nothing really toreport, but yeah we're getting an Inter intersection of fairy tales as well andtheir revisions playing into this ALF development here. So, although Tokenshills may have become the culture default today in a letter to theBritish historian, Hugh Brogan in one thousand nine hundred and fifty four,I'm not sure if he was a historian, then no, it was a letter he sent as achild and he grew up to be historic but now letter to a dude named Hue, brokenone thousand nine hundred and fifty four, just before two towers ofpublished again token admitted deeply regretting having used als. The wordAlves saying that, though this word in an Estoy and original meaning wassuitable enough. The disastrous debasement of the word in whichShakespeare played an unforgivable part has really overloaded it withregrettable tones which are too much to overcome he's out. He also acknowledgesthe powerful influence of Child Pero and the fairytale form on diminishingthese Alvit, a fairy tale and how things into what we would think of asfairies personate sings varies. So he's complaining about the same thing thatprached is complaining about him, he's complaining about Shakespeare'sinfluence, but obviously I've been reading a lot about the Romantics andthe extent to which they are influenced by Shakespeare and they constantly. Youknow this is bloom again trying to get out from under that ING that anxiety ofinfluence, because they're trying to write their own plays, and they cannever do better. But it's interesting that no prachetas entirely switch forms,but it's still using the same ideas he's complaining about what checks pardid and that he can't get away of talking or protect. Now, who complainedthat alwa terrible, told him talk, Talkin that it's interesting, theentirely different folk token is now complaining about Shakespeare andentirely different life. Well, What's interesting to me about that court? Isthat he's saying that Shakespeare's played in on unforgivable part in thedebasement of Alves has overloaded it with regrettable terns, which are toomuch to overcome yeah, but then he overcomes them. He becomes the default.He does the thing the Romantics can't do, which by on would be so bad madabout, but yes, even within token's own world,on Middle Earth, the elves have apparently been diminished and to manyit may now suggest fancies, either pretty or silly as unlike the candy ofold are as the butterflies of the Swift Falcon. So he's saying, even the elvesthat appear in the war of the rings. They are a mere shadow of the elvesthat are in the summer. Illion I mean that's always his cut back a little bit,though, isn't it just going to put that there yeah? So that's talkingcomplaining about Shakespeare and the diminishment of valves, which is thesame thing, precedes complaining about in light of Tokens influence. So whydon't we talk about Shakespeare himself, yeah? So after we did Macbeth withweird sisters, project returns again to Shakespeare and Motif. Ladies andAndrew Reymont, who wrote the article about the gender stuff with the Divalathings that we talked about in the first episode. I am Antin academicals,he oes, the cony weather wax is drawn to the theater because it has a kind ofmagic that is close enough to her own that she cannot leave it alone, which,and then he suggests the same of prached, which you know is prettyobvious. This is person on north is playing around my person on things, butthe link between storytelling and the type of magic that grate weather,axises or more her Edolio, and eventually defeats the icon of theAllison Lords and, ladies, by using the stories against her, the way that theduke was trying to use the stories against witches to the Society ofstorytelling as magic itself, uh yeah cool, which is a pair of words, thingsand all- and all of that that was my bad he's, sending up mid some one nightstream here, which is my favorite chat to be a play. How do you feel about it?All? I lag me someone next stream. We you saw it this year, Shakespeare inthe park. Oh Dad you, you would not read it before that a yeah no Rowan hada nick. It was nick. First, ever Shakespeare experience entirely, sothat was fun taking that virginity. What I've been talking about with Peteror something I didn't ever know B, but...

...maybe you know it is apparently thealbums and the player yea. The fairies in the player meant to be very smallfor, like the tiny, yes yeah, I didn't know that all tho, that's the wholething yeah. I know I never picked up on it yeah. I was like that's a point pater and hewas like that is the play. I'm like okay, yeah, well, they're, small, butthen Titania and Oberon or not, I think, yeah yeah. I think it's, I think,that's my favorite check for your plan. I mean I reread it for this and I was abit like it's just fairies and silly very stuff like it's, not as cool andcomplex as something like Hammadr the tempest or something yeah. Henrythat'll reaches the thirza yeah. I was thinking about it and it's interestingbecause of what he does right. The way he plays around with these ideas andput them together. That's what I do like it because of the like. It's thefantasy element to it, which also happens in Hamlet, Macbeth and things,but I like it, sort of because I think it's a really like there's a way ofreading it. The fairies are very malevolent. Oh yeah dark yeah, so Ilike that that it's presented to this common as this comedy, but itdefinitely has a dark undertone where, like the fairies, are messing with loveM, that's meant to be the thing. That's like the power of love. That's thistrope and fancy that it's the one pure form, and then these Faris just comealong and fuck with it for fun yeah. I think that is a really dark thoughtactually and that's what's so interesting about it and the safe itshake be. Generally, you know without the stage directions and the directorsnotes, and things like you can present Parkin. So many different ways likethere are those representations up in where is like sexty Bironico and thenevil Goblin figure like that's it. You can read it so many different ways butyeah. I think that is the the best or the better reader, because they areDick hers. John Stevens and rubber McCall in one thousand nine hundred andninety eight chapter revisions of ally, modern classics which begins with theepigraph from Lords and ideas about her writing the taming of the bowl, whichis my second least favorite life from a yet the taming of the folk. Because Irealized this that the mechanicals in yeah that a they're doing is amidsummer nights dream. Yes, it's written by doing the player bad, butyeah yeah, but then it ends with this foot note where hill comes along andplay and write to play, based on the Adelines things that happen on midtimenight, but can't because you've us attend me of the volt. So what what Idon't have the footnotes in my inditin? Okay, that's interesting, but I thinkthat's project wanting to be like. I remember her and the taming of the VAL,which is a non joke like that's far, and I'm glad it's a footnote ratherthan in the text like that's what a bunch of critics as say is like hill isso front and center and Weird Sisters- and here he jeppe shows up here as acameo and a foot note. But I think that's interesting in that he's.Writing Midsummer night's dream based on the events of Lords and ladies,which adds to by the Shakespeare in a analogue. He was then diminishing. Thefairies in that play he's doing the thing that granny, whether ex trite,except that the mechanicals are already performing a play based on his work,which is meant to be yeah Hangon I mean it's: What's a pit Parius and Gisby orhowever you say it, but Paris in it is na yeah yeah yeah, it doesn't quite Linot which, which by the way is Romeo and Juliet. I think we've talked aboutthat yeah, yeah, yeah and Praisin thisbe is in I'm sure I'm saying thatwrong, but that's in midtime stream there performing there's a play withinthe places in the play. It's all there, but in midsomer the play thereperforming is not meant to be written by Shakespeare. I I don't know itdoesn't work by trying to cram an analogue for Shaksper into the DISworld. It doesn't work. I do think that sometimes prejidis just taking the pislike he's like, oh I'm, taking apart, I dare you, but if you do you and youyou're wondering mazers loss to quote Mounton well, I wish he would do abetter job of it than the taming of the Vole. That's not a joke! That's justchanging one wording on a a it's kind of funny. It's okay! It wouldbe. I don't know it's a funny thing to change it to if it was the chaining ofthe number. Would it work the tending of the bill? Just don't think it worksat it because there is no twist yeah. Yeah is just an illusion. It's justfunny Tokay my promote yeah, but yes, Stevens a McCann. There are few directcorresponds between Lords and ladies and mid some one outs dream, unlikeweird sisters, which was sort of this direct parody of dimber story. I'm hereit's just sort of integrating a couple of elements and making its own thingsaying that is more bricolage constructed from a range of other textsthan a straight retinal revision. So this is a pastiche yeah, but it becomesa parody when the Unicorn shows up and it kills everyone yeah. I was wonderingfor ages what the deal with the Unicorn was yeah and I didn't get it becauselast time we recared and I did some research into Unicorns as a book called.I think it's just called the history of the Unicorn. It's called Lore of theUnicorn by a del Shepherd. That is a book I read trying to find out what thedeal with the Unicorn was. So people are interested in. You know coins. Irecommend that, but I was wondering where the Unicorn came from and onreally get it. So I left out and then, when we record a part one hours halfwaythrough Lord Dunsaney's book, the King of Al Fan's daughter, so the king, theKing of Olfan's daughter, is about a lady who reads the Kid. The King ofolfan sends his daughter to wed a model man to try and blend Thei Kingdoms ofhuman and fairy, but the e, the...

...daughter she gets bored of living inthe real world runs away and returns to fairland and they have a baby and thebaby is given to a witch to raise. Now that baby is named Aryan after thehunter grows up to become a Unicorn Hunter and is walking through theforest one day. So this was the next chapter we finished part one. I readthe next chapter, which is about a Ryan, the Unicorn Hunter and it's the samefrom Lords and ladies, where the Eurocon pops out, but he hunts theUnicorn and but then he literally, he grows up to become a unicorn hunter andrecruits all the trolls of fairy. LANTA help him hunt Unicorns with him andthings so that that answers where the UNICORNS come from another place. Theyou know cons come from is the want some future king by thy, which is thesort of the son story, has the Unicorn scene and some fairy stuff with. What'sher name, Morgana yea go a la Fe yeah. We gain to the ferry yeah, so the stuffgoing on there, but it turns out. I was asking you the other, because I've beenreading him. I've read the first two books at the one on future king. Thesebooks are great M. Okay and they're. Really Funny Mantelets are very rat.They do. I think, they're very good and they're very prachetas Ay, an that likepracent, if there's a line and practice like on the comedy side of seriousfantasy, but he's like sort of still got some serious ideas going on. Theseare the other way where they're like serious fantasy stories, but they'rebutting up against this is almost a committi parody, they're good, butthey're also a big key and I'm waking a lot of prache references, yeah literateyeah, the Unicorn. So that that's been interesting, nothing specific to bringthere, but that's where some of the illusions- government, of course, inthe second book, Millin Decides to be a vegetarian because killing animals isme it is, but I think this is why at least we're responded to this is astronger work than weird sisters. It's more of its own story. It's taking thisbarn blocks from making its own thing. It's not living in the shadow ofShakespeare's tick. So Much Stevens mcalmont ink that Casino Rid Kali manyArgin Grandy, whether wax take the positions of the four lovers from amidsommer stream M, saying that Magrat Berret stand in for theseus andHypolita they're at there getting married yeah. That's funny he's notdoing it so much. I think he's just playing relationships. I don't reallysee any parallels between no, it doesn't beat doubt developed beyondthere, just being four of them and then the other two. But I guess you go goany where the Bax Time Red Clito stop chasing her yeah. So, even though he'staken these nes making Aris thing, Andran Butler, never less know its thatby the end of the novel, the three which is are all pared off yeah. We areready because Grania recule cassander and many organ mgrate variants, whichis the narrative logic of Lord and ladies cause. I saw US amid some anight dream, because any comedy has to end with a wedding right. Bola saysthat, because praches taking this comedy marriage ending this leaves hima kind of narrative dead end, which is only resolvable by insuring that hegets his witches and wizards single again as soon as possible. So there's acouple of things going on there. One is that I think that you have none of thisreally matters Grat and ferrets get married, but many a god Casiana. Likenothing comes of that, I think you're right, yeah granting and recall. I gothere several ways. I think that one's a bit more justified so Prota doesn'twant them to be in couples, but he makes them being couples because that'shaving it someone out trigo. This is the story running down the hill. Thisis the narrative causality they have to couple up because of the pair ofstories. Story. Tag is magic, but like the faces you're making now yeah, Iknow like how do I translate the face into the audio for the thing just likethe kioto rods, worming yeah, put it put in the brain exploding, sound Ernesi back against it. It enough. Iguess he is with granning Red coly right. That's a good inversion of thestay at up and live happily ever after he's saying no, I was meant to besingle in her two thousand and thirteen masters thesis Digesting Shakespeare.Al Rise, Cremini of the melon points out that on th D, s were rife withShakespeare and adaptation, with films such as Bas, lemons, Romarin, Julietand the academy, a water being Shakespeare Shakester. No, I haven'tseen. That is A. I mean. I have a special relationshipwith that, because that film was my sexual awakening or fun to talk about it. I mean I've sortof thumb in thinking about doing this. Burnes patron sure, where we watchmovies that are relevant to the thing so shakespeare in love could be one. Imean it's ridiculous. It was on, I think, the TV at my cousin's houserecently, while I was tuning them- and I was like this- is absurd, but a manthat WHO's in that movie who's o set me off, not not Ralph fans, but one of thefans guys not Voldemar his brother, the much motala yeah, I don't know I waslike. I don't know eleven or something I was like. Damn yeah and also it wasShakespeare because I was into books and I was like it's the two best things. What was your sexual awakening? FIRMHANG on? No, I go if I have a specific sexual awakeningfilm. No, nothing, nothing springs to mind ye interesting. I mean there wasthere's just hot chicks and movies so like they're around, but there's notone that jumps out of me. Oh okay, all right! Nice Tale. So do I think aboutit, but we are off track. Okay, yeah! So there was. There was the bes, LemonBurma and Juliet trickespeare in love,...

...and also the Michael Hoff on onetousand, nine hundred and ninety nine adaptation of mid some night stringitself, as well as the introduction of Shakespeare into primary schoolcurriculums, is apparently a thing that was going on a lot in on th s, and thisalso comencd with a bunch of fantasy adaptations of midsomer art stream,including lots of ladies nail game and Salmon version, which will talk aboutit. The bonus episode and Susan Cooper's, King of shadows, so don'tknow much about, but that's that's one of them. I know she's the one who's,the darkest rising and thing, but I don't know that particular book. Themilion also notes that, while others depicted checks, PAS play as being moreapproachable and comic project and Gamman specifically depicted are theelves as powerful and enigmatic and satirizing the early adopters betrayalof the fairies as cute and sweet. So it something that project and game and Isort of pushing back against while they're in the midst of it, as JeneverClement, observes in her two thousand and thirteen article remakingShakespeare for as Wid. This is cast a humorous eye on Shakespeare's greattragedies. PRACAS later book clods and Ladies Reach Checks, peas, comedyrather more seriously. So that's something I noticed, as well as theproject Yeah Beth into a comedy and its onit stream into a tragedy, althoughit's a comedy because they all get married at the end. But it's much moredark and violent and serious s with sisters as fast call. So I thoughtthat's a cool little inversion, Stein! Yeah! Yes, because proces revision isalso a restoration and Shakespeare himself is often charged with havingrevised and diminished albs and varies from their more litening. As you said,as numerous critics observe Shakespeare's nitidum on it, dreamplans various fairy traditions right, it's certain Athens, but the charactershave Roman rather than Greek God names and then you've got the English for lawcoming in to it itself is a pastate of very traditions and Althans in hisnarrative and dramatic sources of Shakespeare. Jeffrey below identifiesten separate sources of material for midsomer stream, which is the secondhighest amount of any Shakespeare play behind King Lear's eleven. Yes, theprimary sources for the ferry seemed to be of its metamorphoses and choices.Retails wherein the king and Queen of the fairies are given the names of theBurmans gods of the Adobe, Pluto and Pos Parino is, is hates and persephone,and Greek, Jo, think you mentioned pacifity. On the last episode, I'vebeen really into preservin up to Sephon a lot of like because my twelves aredoing penaltie, which takes a despite it being based on. You know the Alyan.The odos takes a lot of its mythology from Alban, which I was reading lastyear, so it's all relevant yeah, so you in over the pitead Prosperina suingsurrounded by singing fairies yet which matthew, woodcock suggest may have beeninspired by so opio analogy of Shakspeare's very construction. Do youknow crores, I haven't read it yeah, it's long and old as long and ill beenwritten in old English, so I did do it like there's collections, it's going togive you the bits about the fares and that there wasn't anything particularlyinteresting. I'm not so surprised that I forget the choice is like preShakespeare. This is the thing right, because Shakespeare can he can solidate a British identity. You know, Spencer was dealing with. The vetcharis the first one. Shorter is the one that really brings together the idea ofBritishness in literature and creates a tradition for it yeah I always justlike if someone mentions chart- or I have in my head- so like the the reason.So what's the enlightenment sort of ARY Olice with with Milton and things, butno yeah he's a way well as woodcock. Also observes fairies were consistentlyrepresented in early one dictionaries and classic worths, as native analogusto Greek convert gods all right. The name of Shakespeare's very creenTitania comes directly from Ovid, who use the name to refer to the womancounting goddess Diana and the shape. Shifting sort are a cercy. So when youwere saying, is this connected to our Diana, yes through Shakespeare, yeahand then connecting it back to the obus with CECY as well? Conversely, Oberon'sname is likely derived from the German Alf King Al Bork. Although thecharacter comes from the thirteenth century, French Romance Huon of Badari,where in the Oberon or Oberon, as the eponymous hokeis like night toaccomplish a series of similarly impossible tasks is where we get theidea of fairies empowering nuts and kings, and they return to pour justsomething. I want to return to the fence of that else. My dispute, I might so like Pratchett elves and of its dia.This original Oberon, is also an enthusiastic hunter who provides her onwith the magical horn by which to summon him to both the horned God withthe Alf King. But it's also associated with hunting lots of imagery going onthere and as analyse Kali observes in her two thousand and twenty chapter onShakespeare and the ferry King Shakespeare. Also marks a definingmoment in the cultural mythology of Abran. By providing him with a wife isthe first time that the fairy King and Queen are meant to be a couple ratherthan just these individual mythological figures, of course, they're having anargument and they don't live together, and they don't like each other sothey're showing to be constantly bickering and constantly incompatible,which perhaps just as towards tertina associations with some an winter thatthey meant to be a pair. But they can't exist in the same place because thatthat's Pluto tesephone yeah yeah. I mean the first TIFATA book the Way FreeMan. It is explained that the king left fairyland after an argument with theQueen, where they use magical words, and that's why their argument calls somuch devastation there. It is I yeah...

...interesting yeah despite Orans and metpowers, and he on of Bardo Oberon is there described as being but of threefeet tall and crooked. Crooked shouldered, although his disfiguredappearance is disguised by an angel like visage, so that there is no moredel man that Seeth Him, but that taketh great pleasure to behold his face. But this is the glamor thing, and thisis also a yeah short disfigured else before Shakespeare, yeah, okay,woodcock also suggests that Shakespeare may have known at Robert Greens. Morerecent played the Scottish history of James, the fourth from n thousand finehundred and ninety eight Rin, O Bron look is not so big as the king of clubs,so we are getting small diminished ferries before Shakespeare. Well,actually, I E fe. Ninety eight is after Shakspeare, but it's a contemporarythought. Do you know that one Robert Green? No, I know Robert Grand onlyfrom upstart crow were you Shakespeare's nemesis. You should watch it. It's Hilarious,see that's! What's going on around Shakespeare with in Shakspeare, Oberonand Titania are human size, but, as we mentioned before, their other fairiesare minature and in contrast to over on an Titania's human stature and God likePrares, the fairy follow us in mid Sim on night stream resembled the moremischievous and immunities from English and Celtic for Clo Ogam again the blendof the powerful French and north elves and Gods being the kings of the Celticminiature. Very so it's this past. Each thing that apparently was invented in ts. In our chapter I met someone out stream from the two thousand and TwentyCollection Shakespeare in the supernatural. Larry Johnson suggestthat by employing these figures from folk law or Shakspeare, disrupts thepleas in position of the UNWORLDY and unfamiliar, providing an anker for hiselizabethian audiences, which allowed them to make sense of the fictionalworld by a playing local knowledge. I thought that might have beeninteresting to you, given your like interest in Shakspeare and for ClareYeah. The idea that that you sort of breaking down this barrier between thethe myth and the audience by saying the characters in the play or the ones thatexist in your everyday lives, is that what she's saying there, I guess- yeah,that's interesting so after midsommer and were firs given names like peas,blossom cob were muff and mustard seed. These are all for ades of flowers.Fares were widely revised as harmless or merely mischievous, diminutivecreatures, they're, not very threatening, apart from puck and thethe comedy relief they're, the side kicks hiding in flowers, they'refanning the Queen, and all of that- and this is sort of the image that getstaken forward in the end up of the nineteenth century- varies with thewings in the garden yeah. But this is also preap by the description of thefairy Queen Mab in Romeo and Juliet, where in Macusi describes her as thefirst midwife, no bigger than in a gate stone on the forefinger of an Aldermanwho was drawn with a team of little atome over men's noses as they lieasleep in a chariot made out of an empty Hazel Nut. who gets up to such anfarious activities as platting the manes of horses in the night and bakingof locks which are not into foul sluttish hairs, making them women of good carriage,although it does say that sometimes she also driveth over a soldier's neck sothat he dreams of cutting foreign throats, which I thought was prettygruesome. It is, and obviously I mean that's meant to be a good thing- thatshe's inspiring the soldiers to fight the enemy, but that she's explicitlyinspiring dreams of decapitation, I think, does under bind her a littlepiece for I'm a little snail drawn chariot fairy queen a bit. He's writingthis at the same time as mid some of its dream. So I think Romeo and Julietactually debuts early everythin's. Probably writing them at the same time.So, whatever he's doing with the ferries is coming together for him atthis time ever since been restored to the stature of a utopian goddess by ourboy, Percy Shelley yeah in his poem Queen Map. However, Shakespeare likelyderives her name from the legendary Irish Warrior Queen Mab. So if we wantto think about Magrat and the worry green things were queens all the waydown, there's also aerial in the tempest who, while not technically afery, had his a ship shifting wind Owlin, he sings a song about lying in acowslips bell. Yeah is a very thin a well here. I have to go off on avegetarian science fiction tangent, because this connection, vegetariantransacted fiction through Migra awards hag seed, which is a sort of rewritingof the tempest where in a group of prisoners who are putting on aproduction of the tempest, object to playing aerial because he's a fairyright. There he's hard prisoners and Heyei e we're not playing this ferry.So the director therefore changes him into an alien they describe similar tothose as depicted an et and star trek, and this Science Fiction Associationleads them to consider him. A vegan arms in such weird eating habits arethe kind of thing you'd expect from Aliens Yeah. Then we also have DBconnection to the owls having green blood which connects them to static aswell. So that was in the last episode. I don't, if there's any like actualpoint to be made there just a lot of associations of ideas or crossing overand bleeding into each other and I've just thought of another one, which isthe matter that what is actually written into the Star Trek expandeduniverse. No, that she in one of our books, one ofour earlier books, life before men, which I think is one of our betterbooks. That book is in there's a star Trek, expanded universe book which anon cannon but within the star track. expen you as one of the novels sparkwhos. The vegetarian volcan gives the...

...doctor McCoy his copy of Margaret atwords life before men to give to Captain Kirk,and he says if Kevin Kirk reads the first paragraph of this book. He willunderstand how I'm feeling the first paragraph is all about how the ladyfeels like a snail who has been having her shell peeled away, which connectsit to animal ethics and things, but also maybe Queen Mad. Who is the sideof a snail it feels like a small. This is all word association. That meansnothing. So the image of the tiny wing fares wethink of today was weren't fully developed until the mid nineteenthcentury. It was at the tin of do it was the guy who wrote, cellars, told mybelt. You don't know about this, I'm so glad I could bring this into your life,so a Etana doyle who wrote a position at post, which is clearly a detectivewho, like prides himself on empiricism and doing things and like finding outthe truth right. He was obsessed with fairies, African and oil and then likehe saw the pictures yeah, but he didn't make the pictures, the God he didn'ttake to pictures the guy put it together. Okay, you do know this, neverlike! Oh, I just I knew he was taken in about it, but yeah, but like that guy,who I can't remember his name anyhow I'll. Look it up, because I have thepower of Google in front of me. The cutting fairies series of pertica takenby Elsie Writ and Francis Griffith, a two women odds, ends in the earlynineteen hundreds Ron, the late eighteen, hundreds o nineteen andseventeen. This is way later than I thought yeah. The pictures came to theattention of rode, Sir Arthur cornel doyle, who used them to illustrate amaricle of fairies, had been commissioned to write for the Christmasnineteen twenty edition of the Strand magazine. So he popularized these.These pictures that's way later than I thought it wasa nineteen twenty to that on nine ten twenty yeah. So but this image wasn'treally fully developed until the mid late nineteenth century, butShakspeare's to mine revisions affairs were widely real, reiterated and laterdramatic depiction such as Michael Drayton's. Video. Do you know this oneyea yea? It has a reputation for being horrible and indeed taken calls it oneof the worst fairy stories ever written, wherein the night pig wigan rides on afrisky ear week and makes as nation to his love Queen Mad from within acowslip flower. I wonder if that's where ron gets the name of his owl andHarry Potter, Kachuga, apparently that's it's a pig pick wig or somethingis like an insult, because it's also, I think, they're all types of flowers,I'm not sure about that. But there was some note in something I read about howPickwick is was like a calling someone, a PRIG. It's like a variation of thatyoure a pig week. Okay, yes, Wood Cot. Now, its popular belief in fairies wasalready wanning by the time Shakespeare composed to Midsummertide, with riginalScott, noting in his on five hundred and eighty four discovery of witchcraftthat Heretofore Robin goodfellow, whose puck and Hog Goblin were as terribleand as credible to the people as hags and witches be now and in time to come.I, which will be as much to routed and and contempt and that's meant to becondemned. You know English speak will be as much to writer than condemned andand is plainly perceived as the illusion and knavery of Robin GoodFather. I think we might have covered this, but I can't remember US talkingabout it with Peter, and you know you were meant to leave out a plate of milkfor Robin goodfellow and who would help you and obviously that's what happensat the end of Lords and ladies there leaving it look yeah, that's somethingI something about that way. A robin good fellow is the like: evil he'sbecome the the one yeah continuing the ferry, but originally he was like thishouse helper that you gave milk to do you tho, so he wasn't that threateningso Shakespeare's, actually taken him and made him like this much mischievoustrick star. He was mischievous, but yeah he was a chase, does trumet up abit. I just wonder like it's some of those things here. It's like okay,everyone was living at look, but surely at some point someone looked at someoneelse and said no one's drinking, the milk and no one is doing my choisy'sthe same thing with like Father Christmas, I guess set up, I meansomeone's leaving me presents. I just got old enough to recognize who yeah Idon't either. I mean pucks, not really that relevant to lords and ladies, butwe'll cover more about him in the bonus episode of that game and where hisfront in the center yeah we have there. The this is original Scott saying thatfairy belief as Wayne. It's never been replaced by superstitions about whichis, but that true and time will wait until witches and fairies are equallydisbelieved in m. So that's kind lots and, ladies and weird sisters togetherthere as well. Of course, the Denegation of fairies and the waitingof belief in witchcraft is exactly what happened and is exactly what grannyweatherwax threatens the clean queen of the elves with yeah to the writing ofplays that name them things like peas, blossom. I was a bit annoyed bythreatening her with calling her peas blossom, but, like we have the excusein law than ladies that Granny has plucked that out of the quantum thing.But why does the queen recognize that and treat it as a real threat unlessshe too Havin to the quantum yeah? That's a plot hull? Can she talk intothe content? Maybe but yeah there's some kind of tension going on in lotsand, ladies between wanting people to reshape the images of the elves andforget about the old ones M, so yeah they win by getting rid of the evil,elves and rating them. But then Prachetas and ladies he's bringing backand reinsten this old threateningelf...

...superstitions and wanting people toremember what elves are actually like, like within the book. Granny weatherwaxis caught time, mgrate silly, because she doesn't treat the superstitionseriously yeah, but at the same time she she's self defeating she threatenedthe queen with the waning fit law like ranny's, the one going around tellingeveryone remember the elves and then at the end, she's like I'll make themforget about you. I guess the point is she's saying, remember the owls,because if not you're going to forget that they're a threat and they're aproblem and you won't know how to fight them, but then she's, trying tovanquish the als by just getting rid of them entirely and they won't have toRupheo them. I GUESS! Oh No, I see your point yeah. It's like make sure youwere man remember, but also definitely forget about all these people bit a bit of a weakness in the playingthere. Maybe, as I mentioned when we were introducing with some one thatdream something that really attracts me to the play is the underlying darknessand malevolence of the fairies and they disregard for human love and desireslike these are meant to be sacred, emotions that are precisely whereshakespeare is playing up, also through the play within the play of of Paris onand this by, where they're kissing each other through the wall, and everythingis going this this depictions of true love are stupid and love is fickle andintangible. It's cool stuff, it is but students in a can point out. ThePETRAIS treatment of the fairies in Motim, ladies, is similar to LeonGarfields for trail in Shakespeare stories, from one thousand nine hundredand eighty five, where they described the fairies as haunting and Abron isdescribed as the dread king of the night, shadowy formidable with a trainof Goblin, sprites and elves, and with puck his grinning mocking henchman byhis side. So this is a quite recently before proche the picture ofShakespeare's fairies as malevolent, although Titania just she's just madshe's angry, she doesn't get the nefarious treatment, but I agree withwoodcock who argues the Shakespeare's. Ferries are by no means entirelydenuded of the negative darker potential, so a pack is a shape shifter,which is another devilish sort of quality and over on accuses Titania ofsimilar shape, shifting on mimicry when leading theseus through the glimmeringnight to ravish a series of subsequently abandoned lovers, so she'sa syces she's, an intepeter been out on incubacy trysts war. As I did. I didlook up ravish to make sure it was implying what I thought it was and yes,the the definition of rubbish is to spoil tocorrupt. So even if they're not sexually ravishing, they morallycorrupting and then the act show was interesting because the actualdefinition the citation there is to Shakespeare is fifteen and ninety fourpoem, the Rape of Lecrese, which is so that's in between road now and joy. It,and in some of that stream. Woodcock also argues of puck seams determinedinitially to preserve a sinister version of fairy time and playing earlyin the play that the fairies very nature requires them to conclude theiractions by daybreak, at whose approach ghosts wandering here and there truehome to Churchyard Damn spirits all which he says, paints. A very darkpicture of fairy kind to associating with the ghosts of those who had damnedthemselves by committing suicide, and would cot connects this to marcelsdescription of the very witching time of night when churchyards, Yawn andhell itself breathes out contagion to this world in the later hamlet. So thisis a animage that checks me a place with a lot and he is associatingfairies, or at least puck, as associating fairies with these spratsof Polish contagions as woodcock also observes. However, everyone is quick toassociate fairies from such a cursed nocturnal creatures, declaring that heand his varies are sprites of another sort. That's one of the rest fans landsfrom the play which suggests a conscious disassociation onShakespeare's part. He Sang Puckers, presenting the old version andShakespeare's deliberately having or run stepping and say no of thesefairies aren't like the fairies that came before or my theory their day,walkers, like blade. They can exist in the night and the day and they goaround slaying. You know bad fairies and having trouble with their zoomconnection during Fairy Council meetings. I got enough. Yes, we cock alsoobserves contemporary treaties is treat Disease Contemporary Tritici, on whichcraft frequently reference the idea that fairies word apart itself is dead,while King James argued in his demonology that fairies were merely oneof the demonic forms or which the devil interacted with models side on t, H, efifteen and seventy six case of Bessie dunmow. He was executed for witchcraftafter claiming she was visited by the Queen of Alpha herself. You couldn'teven have a dream back then, and indeed men, someone that streamitself concludes with a Broomstick Holding Puck, giving an Eppela where-and he says it is now time for he and the other fairies to run by the tripleHickory's team from the presence of the Sun following darkness. Like a dream,there's also a reference in that my log to a screecher which might be anallusion to Lilith. Perhaps within the context. If he's talking about which is,is that deliberate? That is interesting because I mean this doesn't need to goin, but in the Predella peared at the beginning, Panale says that she'strying to talk to wit, but she sounds like an hour and at the end the maidsturn into owls and for a long time I was trying to figure out like why thefuck and then I came across it entirely...

...so potentially in Albert because sprose Enar, you know she's onlyallowed to go back to the upper world if she doesn't eat anything in Hell.She is the pomegranate, but then the guy who sees her at the pomegranate sheturns into a screech out and then her maid started to screech out so he'stending his breech. How to stop him from repeating or revealing this femaletransgression like like evish and then her maids turned into our. So they canlook for her forever, but the point being that I think penelope and themaid- I think outword knows about this. I'm pretty sure all the more I thinkabout the more I analyze it with the students yeah they turned into as byhistory. They turn on to a symbolic idea so, but they can't reveal thereality of what penelope did. I didn't do that sort of now that you know that,but the little thing I'll have a look into it, because I searched high andlow for a long time to figure out this althing because you know outwarddoesn't do a lot of stuff not on purpose, and that was that's been thebest thing, because it lines up so perfectly and obviously the rape ofpreserve and a is such a well known story so important when it comes to thepenelope and yeah. I don't know if that would would be referencing lovesbecause, like in the Greek town context, ous or wisdom, yeah, okay, but I meanbecause here I'm wondering if it's deliberate, because it's in the middleof a speech where puck is talking about witches and Heceta name an right, thenI was like maybe I'm wrong and it's something to do with all is but okaywell screeching out sort of like a specifically screech out yeah. Well,that's what I was saying. I was like sure, woman, and also the imagery thatpopped up in the nineteenth century of like women is cage, birds and things,but it didn't quite work and then it just lines up so perfectly with thatbit out of Ober and then, like I've, been reading it at the students and Loon my God. Well, even if they, even if it's not a direct orfen top lit theERE's, probably a tradition of screech out being associated with demonic womenand the yeah interesting. Another thing that is interesting is that the editorof the Cambridge Shakespeare collection that I'm using John Dover Wilson, whois a fame Shakespeare scholar, compares this passage. I pucks closing a log toa similar one in Spencer's, not a e fine hundred and ninety five poem. Howdo I say it at the Tlain? All right do. Do you want to read this and SpencesYour Bat Jeez? Okay, that's been serial language Rather Nile, the Pook norother evils. SPRITES neet mischievous witches with their charms. They let Hobgoblins names whose sense we see not fray us with things that be not wherenot the Shriek, gown or the stork be heard. Nor damned goes called up withmighty spells. Let none of these the dreary accents sing, they let the woodsthe its and all their echo ring. This is the same year as mid someone on astray, that's pretty cool, but that's that's pretty close like who's who's,the huck here, who's the game and who's the project. I think in this specificexample, it's Shakespeare who's, the genius and Spencer, because he's notdoing anything and we talk. We will talk more about this he's not doinganything particularly interesting with the idea of elves affairs, or anythinghe's just like talking about humans who happen to be fairies were, asShakspeare is actually engaging with the tradition of doing interestingthings in these characterization. Yes, PAS is just all in it. What's thewhat's the context of this ever, for I don't know, I be a man. I I've startedreading his Amaretti, his weird love poem I'll, get to it. Yeah, because Idid. I did just look over it to see. If it you know it's all about witches andit doesn't seem to be there's just this passage in the middle of it, then okay,so I don't know. What's going on there, we are going to talk about spencersrepresentation of ours and things, but first I have one of my famous surprisesfor you, a famous surprises all right, so this is a pooks hill. Surprise allright just to say that, although Lords and ladies is build primarily as aparody of Shakespeare's mid someone as dream, it is perhaps more accurately arevision in the fairy tale. Sense we were talking about with regard to whichis abroad of Verdi, had kipling on thousand nine hundred or six book puckof Pook's Hill, which is pretty well, is pretty well known. For its time Imean kipling, wrote the Junger Book. That's the thing is be known: Fron outthrough Disney. Everyone forgot about him, but Disney is the specter, whichis a broad he's. Also a Nobel Prize winning author M, I didn't know well tono be bred. He did. It was also a huge racist, yeah yeah. That was why I wasgoing to be like why didn't they win the Nobori because it was to d, is okaybut yes, pucker pricks hill, so this is park of Pooki. Potel is Puck, hell upis a star about part and it's a collection of short stories where pucksends these children back in time like these children stumble upon him inEddies Hill, and he sends them back in time to witness the history of Britainthrough different stages and things that sounds very spenserian. It's veryspenser and there's one of the there's two books there's one later in thesecond book. The second story is called Glory Ana and they go and meet the fairQueen Gloriana, and she asked him about a moral quandary which perhaps adds tofstab the first story. In the first volume O shes, the titular story, parkof Pix Hill starts with a group of children putting on a play of midsummernight stream on midsummer's Eve, which is forbidden in a fairy circle onpricks hell. I'm patrits deliberately referencingthe story, but he's fully just taking that premise right so that by doingthis they summon Puck, who explains to...

...them that Pook Hill is its pucks hilland he complains that no one remembers that anymore, because it's part of thislost tradition now pucking small he's noticed Holler than the children'sshoulders, but he tells them not to call him a fairy saying that he is oneof the people of the hills and that what you call fairies are made upthings. The people of the hills have never heard of little buzzflies withbutterfly wings and gas, petticoats and shiny stars on their hair, and I wonder,like a school teachers, came for punishing bad boys and rewarding goodones back to thingis idea that they aren't real things. They were thingsused to describe by the stand or demonize. You know. Indigenous peoplewho are putted off land, maybe and yeah so puck also tells the children of SirHuon, who he says, is a murderous night, assisted by our Bron in the thirteenthcentury, and describes Arron sacking of Brazil, wherein he employs magic asblack as mill and could make it. None was into white magic as well. What theheck, okay, so he's, also half devil, so yeah you've got that and avegetarian pack also recounts a farmer summoningthe Smith, God whalen, to show his horse. So we have a part of Lords and,ladies going on there, I mean there's also the fact that praches, referringto the same focal aw sources and influences but puck also tells thechildren that if this kind of thing had to happen, that performing have bidsome an art stream on the hill a few hundred years ago, that they have allthe people of the hills out like bees in June, and he me us the nail on thecoffin practice taking the bees he's taken all of it. So, yes, I thinkthere's a lot more. If we're looking at the Passati make up, I think there's alot more puck of per til. Some bodies then mid someone extream itself, proudit your sneaky Bugge. I you Buckeye. No one would know this, but we did. I didit yeah. The second book, which is called rewards and fairies, begins withpucks other majors started the people of the hills, which is called cold iron,where King Huron and Queen is Kamolondo I've a lad who are alien to island to Iam salt and roofs and raise a pro dog, not precisely a changeling they're,just some kid that they're influencing to take power as a ruler, a wise man orhealer among folk in Housen, to try and get them to take away the iron andthings. So I can still have influence in the modern land yeah. So a lot Olots of ideas been taken from kipling there, all right, that's how all Fleturover, which only leaves may square this qua stuff that didn't fit. Yeah Yeahyou do the Wos, I'm actually realized. I can do thatwhile there's the because obvious this is a parody. The way is wealthy, butthere's the winds won the when they sell out, and then they get theircorporate wins while Tam. So maybe the theme from his well should be Miss Weldme, a squared staff that Damfi was very wiggle sounding, especially when I dothe point: your hands, an a e twist Wilna Witamo, okay, all right so misscat stuff that didn't fit. You got anything to add that you just want tothrow out while we're doing this. No I'm sorry, I got a couple which I'mmostly just allusions to other fairy story, so we've hit the major ones herebut, as we said, this is a pesticoats different, these ferry Turpin. So Igive it points out an allusion to a bunch of other fairy stories and Lordsand ladies including Peter Pan, which she says is reference. When Ponda sayshe remembers, someone asking us to cut the hand, that's that is about theoriginal Peter Pan play ends with people being asked to clap their handsto reservant the fairy Tinkerbelle, and this led to the idea that somethingonly exists if you believe in it, which is something Project Expos on dis, quotall the time, especially in small Gods, which is technically called thetinkerbelle effect, which Prochein Simpson Point and has also contributedto the weakening of fairy force in the fur or of Dis world. But this is also amyth. That's been perpetuated through Disney. That's come at one point:Talbot Lichens, the Ancient Elf, queen to the superficially beautiful Geraldand colleges. Crista Bell. Did you have thoughts about this? I mean notdeveloped it she's, not really a queeny figure she's a witchy which he figureshe does, which he thinks. But the idea of that she's. She has the glamor noyeah. Okay, we could do a lecture about it and tell everyone that Christa Bellis an Alf and then they could all ride it in their essays instead of a Lamia. That's one point out that McGrath avirgin queen just like I be right. That's definitely onpurpose. We did. I say that somewhere in my reading I came across a referenceto Thomas dickers play the whore of Baron from six tune, O seven, whichbetrays the fairy Quain Titania rolling over a fairy land loosely based onSpencerian allegory, and I wanted to ask if you knew of that. That'sinteresting because that's all based on the Algot America, in of Scots in bookfive of the Ferry Queen, where article is imprisoned by Radigan,who is the queen of this alternative Kingdom of thing, which is basicallymaricon Scots, where she's totally justified and rolling. But he goesthere to try and dethrone her for no reason other than he wants to colonizeit. And then she imprisons him and put him in women's Gab and he kind of likesit. Oh okay, yeah he gets into it and then Bridamae has come rescued and he'sreally emasculated and Saidso very the...

...very grand people, but the the hoar ofBablon's. What's her name does in Book One yeah and I think that's how theytry to set up Mary Queen of Scots. Quite a bit is like this, this dirty orwho wants to take a kingdom when really she had barbacan to the throne, thenthen Elizabeth, which is why it was such a big deal that they keep her out.Okay M I've got a note here: Beveren seeing Diane perkises book troublesomethings, a history of varies and very stories from two thousand, which isjust there to a remind me to read it, which I did. But I read this, and I'veread so much else that there was nothing new in this book, but I didwant to point out. I have read this book, given how much we have relied onpercuss work with the witchcraft history at her fairy history book itjust. I read a lot of other things first, so it didn't actually addanything. That's just my qualified, as I did my research God, Damn it andwe'll talk more about her stuff with involution to pack and game, and Ithink yeah. So that's it, which means we get to move on to the next book,which is masquerade so we'll be back next month to talk about yeah,masquerade and musicals and the fan up of the opera and what not, in themeantime, we might rely say patron bonus episode about nil, Gammons men,some on nights dream from the same an so keep an eye out for that cool cool, and we clear that's all for this episode of unseenacademicals tell be another one along in a month, but if you can't wait untilthen you can sign up to our patronage and get all the episodes of full monthin advance, along with any bernus episodes or specials that and I'm doing,if you're after more of US Alice Horse, her and podcast of the Devil's Party,which traces, the development of the Satanic era throughout romantic andGothic literature links to a bibliography for today show, along withthe fully reference to foot now, the transcript should be available in theepisode description, thanks for listening and stay thone for someamusing attics, you can put this in the outtakes. Ibought a shirt that says Goblin because rot and I costly calling each otherGoblin and grambling and anyway, but the Elf. I know it's got a Frelin, I'mcursed playing he's tepid wardle that it's constantly into changing, but thenI told him I got very cool. I know. Thank you. Nick was like you need to get a scarf.That says these not a at like all right. Well, I'm glad to in Cabal, so I kindof get you for that. So do not I as a hard core and talk about the I have had multipleshits. Actually I had at least one shirt in my lifetime that had days nuts,and then you have a o these nuts God. One days now t I get it now. I had theVictorian crown because they were from Victoria, so it was victorious crownand said Dese nuts, but these nuts- and I didn't want this on record, but Ifeel like I have to now. Yeah is the terribly massagetan stick! No, but theycame out when I was like fifteen sixteen. So you know we aren't questionjust went yeah but they're, the ones who have the song. That starts with.Let's talk about Bitches, I'm talking thirty six, then for thirty six entreyeah. You told me mate because every time when I'm doing research for thisevery time I say well we're going to talk about witches. How I go, I'mtalking thirty six to five, I six inches yeah and then so on and so forth.So that's embete in my head, because it's something that I listened to whenI was sixteen and I apologize yeah. So I agree with Woodcock who obvious thathis name is woodcock. I wasn't going to say anything. I was Geraato. I sin so up what was good.

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