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4B – Witches Abroad - Part 2

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The Oggisms continue as we explore the cultural impact and implications of fairy tales featured in the Genua section of Witches Abroad,
including Cinderella, Bluebeard, Puss in Boots, Rumpelstiltskin and
Disney itself. We also figure out what simulacras are all about and
whether Nala stands a chance in a Disney Princess Deathbattle.

Apologies for the clicking sound that shows up intermittently on Alice's mic. Other than that though, the sound is perfect!

Referenced transcripts: independentresearcher.academia.edu/JoshuaBulleid/Podcasts
(The transcript for the Witches Abroad episodes will be uploded with Part 3.)

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He sucked me and I'm sorry:We've been promising to talk about grating, weather, waxes conservatismand things that's going to be so for part three part: Two: we are just goingto focus on the fairy tales. So if you don't like fairy tales, yeah lots ofDisney process talk coming up, but yeah, specifically, we talked about the fairytales that they counted on the road last time. This time we're talkingabout the fairy tales that they encounter while in genuine so and atthe end of the last podcast, we had the realization that genuine men, genuinegenuine yeah yeah, have that is a revelation and a couple of flows up onsome things from last episode coming up, but yeah this. This episode we're goingto be looking at primarily the fairy tale, Cinderella, boy, bed de FrontPrince and some Disney stuff and Snow White. So that's that's the agendatoday, as if you follow up from last tight because we brought up robles skin,it turns out the version of ruble still skin. 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I was going to saywe're making fun of psychonomical to do that on this podcast okay, but we do.We have to deal with psychoanalyse see if we're going to talk about Robinstill skin pan stuff, because that's where it comes from okay and we'regoing to have to talk about it in part, three with all the MERICI, becausemirrors and fairy tales and yeah so get ready, word further characterizes the cranes,ignorance of runkle, still skins name as evidence of her ignorance and envyfor the penis is getting less right. I mean this is pretty basic, psycho andalso stuff, and this is why no one takes this shit seriously. I feel thenimportant to argument regarding rapples still skin was made by Harry rand inhis article, who was rumple still skin from the year two thousand Fren. Heargues that rumble still can represent a specifically flattered, Panis Wow.Yes, now his argument is Etomologists, T rample, equals recalled or contracted.Stilt is an erect pole at skinny skin. So you put all this together. 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...the only thing a flat. I penisabsolutely cannot create, so flison is capable of creating all other things. Yes, but kind of facinus right havelike if you get enough of them in a reinenough fucked fast, the K, O Ern Infinite Don period, yeah okay, although the psycho analysis havelinked rumble, still g into the litters okay, the idea of being that the Queen,Spinning and not represents masturbation well, she could just bespinning. Yeah ran vagum. NT, however, is normally based on Edgar Taylor, H D,eight hundred and twenty three away from MIS translation. Let's see what Ithink of the grimms German story, rapples still Shim. No, therefore, theSuffolk, Shin or small, implying small or child Ternata small Dick. Well, it'snot skin is the point which would be translated as as hot, I think, Haut. Soin fact, it's not even skin. In the English translation, it's stilts, coral,so stilts, then Kim meaning a small child, okay, so the but theetymological argument. It's not even the right words, but he's translatedthen and ran acknowledges that the English naming is also Taylor'sinvention. So this implication, you know, isn't part of the Rigal story,because it's come from a translation, but you also characterizes it as kindof ly intuitive suggesting that it possibly reveals an old English namefor the same figure. So somehow translation rebelling some kind ofimplicit meaning. This is bullshit yeah yeah. I mean one thing of now bespinning her bail with ties like a the whole time she was just is that that'sactually not bad. That's probably out there somewhere Ron, but yeah yeah,she's, just wankin off the whole time, and he to he's doing it to delay herSertin yeah she's, just having a good time, yearneth down, I'm sure, there'san article I can find out there. Women, pinge critic, John Rosen grand, takes amore sensible approach in his two thousand a D eight article, the name ofthe help up pointing out that actual pocos, often explicitly or implicitly,folk, most psycho, analytic approaches to fairy tales for limiting themselvesonly to the most familiar variant of H, tale right, leading to an orvens s onthe importance of details with limited generality and the overlooking ofimportant details not found in that particular area. So again that wholeflash of pin taken was based on a specific English translation ratherthan all the versions of Rappel skill. Skin yeah, okay, Rose Gray, looks atother variations of what I called name of the helper folktales. There's a likecategories of potel, where cosha to guess the name of the presents helpthem looks at other variations of his tail and find that none of thememphasize tolieu, ality so much he finds. Instead, that these storiesillustrate, I brought a ambivalence about development, of which the Pelicanis nearly a specific manifestation. He also points out that the name of thehelp that differs in each story leading for a number of different meins thatcan be ready to them, most of which emphasized children or childhood, sothey're about growing up, not through sexuality, but through the discovery oflanguage, which makes more sense right if they got to know the name M S, Idon't really know with knowing the name of the peanuts really come, or so what yous is called, and the Hungarian Saco analyst SandorFirenzi Associated Adalian with a period of magic thinking and magicwords, okay, which Ford further connected to widespread quote primitivebeliefs, that one's true name, partakes of one's essence of soul and knowingthe name of another, gives control over him. Oh No, you've just run ruth. Thiswell may never mind it wor, liquens, well and right this. This is the ideaof the power through language than that we've been talking about yeah, so thisis all tied in there, I'm tit. So where did the penis go? We just in a how do they refer to apple stirs, goton which is a broad again. They refer to the longer with the pig towers and atower runkle step, snall someone. So it's just it's literally that it's verypassing in okay, now I've gone down the cyclone like the so penis hole, butsure I would be proud. I'm gone den with Socoa a Lytie. I need to terminateour friendship, but I it's also relevant, because thisis enow. The since of disco you have a fairy tale, I need is look up after thelast episode was Pussin Broots, which he pointed at Greba, was probably anallusion to yeah. He pussin brute story comes from Pero, although there is agroom's version which was admitted from later collections because of its Frenchorigins in that one Pusson brutes his enemy is a great sorcerer who he tricksinto shape, shifting into a mouth so that he can eat him, which, I guess isalluded to in, which is a broad. When Greber is the bad like that yeah, Ithink that's the right link, but it's just sort of its throw away, seeing inwhich is a broad because, like you just need to vampire bat for no reason whichalso sort of stuffs up camper jug, you I didn't really find any otherconnection. Did you ever look at thiss...

...fairy table all very briefly, and alsoI didn't find anything yeah o. The most interesting thing I found out aboutpussin boots was that pours version rather than a sorcerer? It's an urgethat was cool yeah and the age receives pussing boots as politely as an orderis able to do asking him if he would like to rest a while when he shows upin his castle, which I thought was a pretty strict, ask yeah last time you bread, the rules, you goa Rod, you can over the conventions right at the stay episode to his twothings. You don't like. I yea and one of the things you say you don't like-is that it's a bit like thrack yeah, but then all we do is talk about howmuch we like sor, im sure she is nothing else. Unless you're a I knowdoesn't make see. I wasn't sure why it was a negative that it was like trickwhy it was negative that it was like trick yeah why it was like I did likeTrot. I think, because it felt to me strange because I was like. Oh you justcopying trick the whole time, but I knew deep down that it's not copyingtrick. This came first trick is a copy of all of that which, just that you'veseen this I've seen trick and I've seen trick. You know all the things thatcame from Shrik and I just felt like that again yeah it was annoying. I feltthat do we need to address the secret reverse trick as a sex move. That wasin the loading up in the bonus episode section of last episode. But yes, wecontemplate what the secret reverse did. We come up with a Wilno in the interim,I think you're an article about a guy who's Bett, a flashlight like shrake,said that so I think that guys figured out thatwas at graound with you. Oh yes and the last last bit of followup stuff about the other things, because I didn't talk about them enough,but I did find in an article by a Rebecca Ans der Bazar, so she used towork in Monash, but I saw her in passing, but I never actuallyinteracted with her and she doesn't work there anymore, but in her twothousand and eighteen book now yea fashion in the fairy tale tradition,she points out that which is abroad like bounds, Oz books, features wiches,who absorb characteristics of the fairy godmother Ah seems like wos. But wedidn't actually point that out last episode and she also observes howgranny weather wax laments them, which I should wear black while wearing awhite gown at the bowl. Whereas we were talking about how baron switches were.Why yeah and her description of how, which is a broad tangles with the fairygodmother and he roll in controlling stories, also prompted me to connectthe idea that we mentioned last episode of Marian waners suggestion that ridesoften represented themselves as, very God, mothers in their stories. So theidea that yeah, the fairy God mothers are the writers who are writing a fairytales on Willith is the ferry godmother who's riding the ferry Towson yeah.This is all licit, but seeing this right now, like explicitly for me, Iwas like Oh yeah. That's it! That's! What I yeah Nice and Derasa alsoconnects this to the idea of the fates o stories for people. It's all! Superb!Yes, that's just some blue threads from our last episode spun into gold, whichmeans by Amastan sure this was a bit of a wink but yeah. So we can now turn ourattention to the fairy tales first on in the genuine section of which isabroad, the biggest and most obvious one being Cinderella. So the mostpopular version of the story that we're Taos comes from Charles for S, FrenchCendrillon from o Sin undred and ninety seven. I don't know if that's just atranslation thing, but in the version I'm using the two thousand nine OxfordUniversity, Presidin she's called Sinamone, which I thought was prettyamazing. Yeah I got yaoyotl God a Inde Montin suffix La is a variationof the name, a lane, the name of Sir Launcelot's lover in the King Alchemy,which will become more relevant. Well, I was going to say next episode, butnot part. Three in next book loses the art of my Asia to come. I think, andthe name way was also popularized by Alfred tennis on oseige hundred andfifty nine palm idols of the king, where he describes her as a La me, fairand lovable it's NACE. A laying in turn is a derivative of Helen which isderived from the Great Celius of the song and connected two ideas of femalebeauty through homes. Helen in the odes in the Eliot Amberell is proper nameall Saturday. Their foot makes it a beautiful, sunny sea it. That's nice isnot much better than cinderous. This is the beauty fame from nothing thing thatyou were suggesting about an seeing academicals with Julia billiart likethat, and indeed approchante multiple references to embarrel a enouncingacademicals, so that book, Juliet Lichens one of her fashion, shows to afairy story and when Glinda tells her that they don't want of happy endingsand that she has a steady job already that should not be lightly thrown away.Pepe Responds No. I should be corned with great force. What is this embarrella the one has been waved. The cord is cheering a score of handsome princesare waiting to sign up for just a sniff of her slipper, and you want her to goback to work, making pumpkins and Lategan as treve ever heard of Amberelleveryone heard of Amberella. Well, you...

...might not be my first choice for princecharming, but that's probably plenty worse x, so here they're referring toAmbara La as a story written years, so I don't know if that's like eitherpreciate for getting. He already did this to talk about how I'm sayingacademicals come and sat with these alsame, but that's not the accusation.I'm making more pointing out. There seems like an over side or he's playingwith the idea that everall's life got turned into a fairy tale anyway, atrain, the race, a story yet which would imply that wilt one after all,yeah, but I think that's reading way too much into it, but it does seem. Idon't mind that it's cool, there's just nothing there to indicate announcingthat he don feels that he's deliberately connecting it. It justseems like he came up with the Amberell joke. This is how many books afterforty books after a twenty five books later, I think fancying academic, ayeah of books yeah. It seems like it's meant to be an Estro, but it seems toconflict. So I don't know okay, I like our reading, but I don't know if it'ssupported in the text. Boris Morfe Cinderella, however, reads you have agreat advantage. If you receive at your birth good, bread in courage sense aready, we and other things of comparable worth, but that is on enough.Unless you know how best to use such precious gifts, you need a godfather orGodmother to show what you must do in order to succeed. This is where myspenser stuff comes in you an it now Durford. This is from Edmond Spencer's,the Ferry Queen, which is an epic poet Peter, and I going through book six atthe moment, which is on courtesy and now I was like what. Why is that? A Avirtue that a night needs to know and what we found along the way is actuallycourtesy encompasses all of the other virtues and spencers been slowlybuilding, one which leads to another and to another etcetera. But it'sreally it's at that cusp in history, where we're moving away from the ideathat you know nobles are Noble by Birth and peasants are villains because youknow the original Etemal Gy of villain. I do do fenus means meant peasant, likevilla drop, yeah, essentially yeah, and then they sort of took on thatconnotation, because the implication was that if you are highborn you you're,naturally good and if you're low born, you were actually bad because Godwanted that for you and sucks to be low born. But when now moving towards moreof a meritocracy at the time at Spencer is riding and which is when a f nine S,Lat Finah, Yeah Elizabeth is on thrown we've had the Spanish Amata, the IrishRebosa contemporary with Shakespeare. Fifty yes before just one yeah yeah atthe same time, yeah yeah he dies soon. After that he's on his way and thenspent the and then shake for in the mountain. This ol say that in book sixhe's really yet developing that idea or challenging that idea that with noblebirth comes just nobility in your matters and things, and it saysactually it's all affected and if you can develop that, then you can be noble,and you know this is the thing with so well to rolley. He becomes a big dude,but he came from nothing, and this is a Toros alter role. He was a pirate, a Co.He was Elizabeth right hand, man, he was a pirate, but not a pirate with aSpanish Amana. He like went off to America and tried to start a wholecolony on his own. He wrote, poetry, he had a monopoly on like a certain tradeElizabeth gave him monopoly. He was fighting the Spanish he was likeeverything is ended. The Dolo episode anyway, it's pretty cool and the point abouthim is he is it for the first big example of yet kind of merit:meritocratic rise to power, but the points been through is making is he'schallenging that idea- and he there's this word- that Peter Keep shootingspreads of Toda, which is an detain word for basically make you doingsomething and making it seem like it's spontaneous or it's natural, eventhough, actually it took quite a lot of effort to develop, or I'm going to dropthat in my next music review. Instead of saying you know they make it lookeffortless I can say- and that came to mine immediately from this because it'slike, unless you know how best to use such precious gifts, you need agodfather. I got mother and that is kind of what spenser is saying. He'slike nobody knows how to use these gifts or not they're, not actuallythink it's not a gift, and you need someone to teach you and all of it isaffected and he's challenging that part of society, which is pretty cool. It'sa Wen around Virtu megasominae is utens interesting because it saying you needa God mother to show you how to work anything, but in connection to thefairy tales like the idea of the fairy God mother has to guide the yeah andthat works was pensive, because all the nights need a guide right like aparticularly guy on an book to which is the book of temperance has a Palmer. Aswe talked about last episode, it guards in to everything so yeah the pensees,the expensive ives. The editor of the Oxford Collection, Christopher bets,however, suggests that prose moral is more of a practical suggestion, ratherthan a comment on the story. Well, this is actually supporting yea. So he's nothe's not going out. That's the fairy tale got another thing. You say no, youneed like some were to raise you right essentially, since wealthy andinfluential friends or relatives were often asked to fulfill the role of thegodmother or good father in the...

...expectation that their sponsorshipwould be a value to the child in later life, which seems like a pretty literaland uninspired reading to me, although you've just sort of kind of work likeFortin, some cultures, God parents in a like, really important yeah, I think Ithink now that you've said all that- I'm not well. Yes, no! He is right, butI read that and I just went you know having a whole lot of fun with thestory, though I e the stories about raising children right, N, H, t, that'sall it's about, I'm like you, but it's also about the pair of imagination. That's how you raise children run aboutmy dream, no place for those in a an smash em aspenser, but if we're accepting the alignment between God, mothers andtheir authors, Tan pro was perhaps suggesting that people need writers andstories to teach them how to live. This is the more abstract interpretationthat I and precure are sort of wanting to apply to it, which I think isanachronistic, but if we're reading morvale still sinsing Matopos, we canread in the Reland say this is narrative fairy tales, the spotscineres French origins, the grims include a version of it in theircollection, siding as it sells, and anonamous woman in the ElizabethHospital in Marbuk. That's it yeah is like that's a German as a ATSAN. Oh I drat. This man, you probably did Riyeh, was onopium with in the grins version. Cinderella has a golden slipper. Rathera glass one which I in to be at the gold hat in the WIZIR was okay, thebook version. So I think, there's maybe a lineage. There cinerea alsooriginally wears wooden shoes, so that the shoe is more a single of classrather than delicacy. In that Dutch plugs butch, cloaks yeah, maybe eitherway there are arguments that the slipper was originally a first lip nowand therefore meant to represent. This is something that's alsoreferenced in the science of Discord to no but Kevin Paul Smith, who's, the guywho had the taxonomy of all the different just jumping in here, becausein this next section I mistakenly credit the criticisms of Bolza to Smith,rather than bets WHO's, the editor of the Procolo so yeah when we say Smith,it's that's not Smith. Until we get to talking about the implications of themothers compared to which is abroad, and that is actual Smith saying thatcarry on. He dismisses this explanation, saying that the idea comes from theFrench rider honor Dear Bullace, just looked at that Etolonel, the wordGerfaut and there, which is an old word for a squill from appies, told me. Thisyeah right and ballack argued that shoes would have been made out of furrather the glass, a very still symbol of wealth. It makes sense that moredelegates had to come by. I don't know if Tis true, like your peasants, wouldwear first slippers just because they hunt animals and her their skins, mayberather than at being today, where you have hopefully fofa vegetarian propageaas as a kind of fuss. I'm not sure about that, but Smith points out thatthis practical consideration is irrelevant for an already unrealisticstory. The point is not that the the slipper is practical, its tad it'smagic and fits only one foot in that fur could be stretched, but glasscannot. So it can't be a first slipper because then it breaks the story. Okay,you say it's that no text containing the alleged spelling of their the airhas ever been discovered. You did BALZAC provide any evidence for theirbeing by yeah bull sack. So this is more inaccurate. Psycho the were likenonsense in the grim version. The step sisters also cut off their heels to fitin the shoes and have their eyes picked out by birds that helps in de Rella. Doher housework, it's pretty good at singeries wedding. But yes, I thought it was pretty brutalSmith also points out that Cinderella is aged by the spirit of her deadmother in some early versions of the tale, pointing out that Umberella isultimately aided by fir mother, who was still alive and kicking in the personof visual a Gogle more about the next part, and also points out that it isimbreller dead. Father were animated, does is only by her mother who asks tosecure Ambre, La's, rightful inheritance. So again as it weirdsisters, we end up with someone who is the result of an affair with the king.What can we taking over the kingdom? HMM, which is a true, but also this isa structural similarity of Prachetas like if, which is a broad, is meant tobe about subverting or avoiding the same envy over and over again cruchesdoing that by using the same ending that he a for. Does he know why sure wetell him what yeah? I don't think this is deliberate. I think again, he's likethis is a subversion of the rightful ruler. The princess marries the Kittinthing, but he's gone it in the same way M. I thought was interesting: Yeah noagreed yeah, so that's Cindarella's, also the reference to blue bead, whichis a very significant story, I think in academic circles. But I don't know ifit's really that popular or well known in general there's certainly no Disneyadaptation of it. It's because it's so horrified. Well, do you want to explainthe story since he specifically read it, so you could do so blue bids, a guy who no one will marrybecause he has a blue vides, a very wealthy guy, so it is speciically, theBlue Bird. That is turning people off...

...him. He does eventually get a wife,somehow kind of tricks her and then he goes away for the weekend and he givesher all these keys and he's like hey. You can do anything, can go to thisroom. You can do that whatever, but don't use this key to get into thisvery specific room and she's, like yeah, sure honey and then he leaves and thenshe's like she goes in all the rooms and then the moment her friends comeover she's like now by and she goes and she goes in the room. She's, not men,to she, finds all of these horrifically mutulate bodies and is horrified tothis blood on the key. She can't get it off. The husband comes home. He's likea you went into my room. I must murder you now she somehow gets help and thenthe her brothers, her brothers yet burst in. I assume there's somecommentary that we can go into and and murder him instead, but he's all likeyeah. You will join them in that room, so that's fun, but for R, it'sinsatiable curiosity again, yeah yeah, specifically, I mean I shew it as fastas because it was like. You was specifically told lot to do somethingband. Then you wouldn't do it, but yeah they also the fault. It's got so allthe same. You can need anything in this forest, but not a yeah and then thewoman being punished usially or on that to come yeah. So you just summarizedthe Pero version of Blue Beard, somehow it's from the grim's version, which wasincluded in their original eighteen, twelve collection, but later emitteddue to its Frinton, as much of these stories were finding out where there'sa strip of blood when she opens the door which reminded me of the shining,but also, as you said, the key falls and the blood that get stained the caseof her crime, which is mcbee right. She tries to wash the blood off the key andyet for S, version the uveitis pretty similar. Although the morals heretouches at the end of worth examining do you want to read next? Well that all right, all right yourself did you want to readthe prose models for love, shot curiosities on very well in its way,but satisfy it and you risk much remorse. The Feminine Sex will deny it,of course, but the pleasure you want had once taken is lost and theknowledge you looked for is not worth the cost. So this is like curiosity,cut the cat who's wants to go outside, so as it's too late at seven o'clock, anight she's t o Lan, which makes sense, but there's nothing, mis moral aboutdog mode, women and kids secret earth. Thank you a bit of a to say this. Lateris of the town were often sub titor the fatal effects of curiosity or the effect of female curiosity. Soagain, this is like very explicitly imbedded into the tradition. It'soriginal sin, but prue adds that people with sense who use their eyes will nottake one to realize this is a tale of bygone days and what it tells is nowuntrue. The modern husband does not ask his wife to undertake a task impossiblefor her to do, and even when dissatisfied with her, he is quite as amouse. What do you make O that Ol? I mean that's worse somehow and also gotas I go. It's one of those like progress. Doesn't equal morality, so Ie it is better to go. Sthis, isn't the pinical of morality,but Po is sort of revising this fairy tale. Yeah. We were talking about whereany new version is a revision. Bright, you're saying this used to be about howmen might literally murder their women and keep them in the meter. The moralat the end, yeah yeah, so he's updating the moral to update the ferry Tam he'sa try to make it sure, but he's reinterpreting it m or he's not even reinterpreting it. I guess he's just acknowledging that we haven't moved on,but he's not very interpreting it yeah. So maybe it's like not areinterpretation! That's him doing. I should rewrite this, but I'm not goingI'm going to put it down as not progress. It's like he was like M toohot I'll, just change the moral. This is true, and yet he still maintains thepriority. Isn't that first moral about it's a thing about specifically femalecuriosity being punished but yeah? I haven't even heard of this very tallentis talking to Patrick about Angela Cart as the bloody chamber which, as wementioned last episode, is sort of the canonical feminis carry terror. Ivisonthat have you read this one I hadn't read, I know about it in right it! Well,it's not really different story, big wise, except that it's her mother, rather nowbrothers, you save at the end of a K, which seems like a very basic for inthis revision. Very so I didn't really get it, although Smites a really goodclose reading of it in the personal fairy towel explaining a lot of thesudereys which are really subtle, okay- and that gave me a bit more of anappreciation for it. I won't go into them here, but I do highly recommendlooking at that. It pays on very sow. Okay, we're analyzing, cadas bloody canbe Smith, observes that cutters unnamed female protagonist is aware of the bluebed story herself, since she makes a reference to clockwork to blur of bluebeard dcanal cases at fairs and also makes knowing references to the storiesof Pandora. Okay. Indeed, before she goes to open the chamber, she reads awhole bunch of books about Pandora and sterious keys and reproofs of curiosityleading Smith to wonder why Carter's protagonist even enters the bloodchamber at all. If she is aware of these precedents and already knows, thestory of Blue Beard, herself takes us back to the first moral of like youknow, to be trained, but yeah women are insociable M, but Maria tarder, whocandled all the words in the groom stories that we were talking about lastepisode, argues that the protagonist has no choicesince as soon as we learnabout the dire consequences that will...

...attend the mere touching of a spindle.We know that Bria rose will somehow search out and find the only spinderleft in her fats kingdom. This is narrative causality. Her argument isthat in Cartas version m believe, even though she knows the morals is trackedwithin this formula, is that some de Balas Shit? Yes yeah yeah an belearning yeah. This is doing the precure thing,but again by implication, yeah ye that well, she knows all this, but she stillfalls to because that's the way stories repeating yeah for it's patriarchate inposition. The latter e Smith argue is that if we take acloser look at Proth blue beard, we begin to see that the heroine is notpunished for her curiosity, he points out that, even in that version, throughher husband's death, part protagonists escaped the fate of her predecessorsbecause she's like his what fifth or sixth wife Oonts has happened before.So this is the story not about the woman who was killed for a curosity,but the woman who avoided being okill and pish for a curiosity and that sheactually inherits the castle at the end of the story. So female and Pawmet getyour brothers to beat up the guy who was main to your okay, so WalterConcurs claiming that blue bead is a version of the fall where eve gets awaywith it, with carders version, accentuated on the complicity betweenPoro and his heroine and reclaiming the feminist nature of the tale.Interestingly, there is a similar story in the grimes first collection calledthat Cassoit was later emitted due to such origins and similarity to blue bed.So essentially the same story. We we wait, so the grooms were only usingGerman. Oh, that was the idea was meant to be a collection of Garman, for I canan that story, though. The caste lot better, the door isn't forbidden isinstead they guarded by an old woman who was scraping and testious ide thedoor. These are implied to be human in test science cooking, his victims, because that'sthe other thing he's an organ is a canibal which or fairy tall bill darkapparently, but this woman ends up helping the girl escape and thendisguises itself and then exposes Bluebeard by telling his story thefeast right as story telling, but also was the famous subversion thereforealready built in to the story and then written out by for a ver yeah. It isshowing that the man is the bad guy here and yeah and then gets replaced bycotta and other presents for wise of wit. So it's cyclical right, yeah, butyeah. That shows how but persistent the sheeps of stories do change. So lastepisode, we spent ages analyzing sleeping beauty and there was aninvolved despite a relatively slight references which is abroad, and thistime we're going to do that with lot from Prince, which, in the groomscollection, is actually called the froing or iron hinrich. Fattening soheinrich is the name of the King's servant, who got so sad when the kingdisappeared because he loved the king so right he in bands around his hat andthen when the king returns, the bands burst because of his love for the came.I did read this fine, that's that's some gas of text jet! I don't now. Okaythough, but I mean I is more unlike I'm assuming people know the story of thefor Prince, but so the princess her she just as she's a princess and she's play.She got a favorite ball and it rolls into the swamp and then she goes andthere's a fro in the bitness says I'll get your ball. If you give me a kissand that you cause intends it to into a front that's how we understand thesorry yeah, that's not what happened in happens in the grim version in thegrooms version. She promises the frog kids, but she doesn't give it to himand the king demands these daughters should keep her promise. Like thestories all about. You said you were going to get this gutting and you'relying and you're a bad princess to Cyprica, altruism, yeah and and he's anthe frogs like falling around he's just he's just a frog. Still everybody's,like he's smoking frog, the g doesn't object to that or again the yeah. Sothe frog caning out with the princess going hey. You promised me a kiss like,or maybe it's just marriage, but you know six stuff. Yeah he's like youpromised that you would take me with you and do all this stuff. I want toeat at your table and sleep in your bed, but yeah implication is that. Well, Ithink it's like it's marriage, yeah and she get ends up getting so mad at himthat she throws him against the wall and that's when he turns back into theprince from murder turns into Prince. I guess the implication there is, ratherthan if you kiss something ugly, it becomes the Prince. It's that like, ifthe morals meant to be about her breaking her promise and condemning theprincesses. But he go the idea that when she finally threw him away, it wasrevealed that he was watching on it, sort of him right, yea. So the moralthere is more about keeping promises and maybe not judging people by theirappearance rather than true love, but it's also forcing the princess into anon contenta cross SPEC sexual relationship. So I a great idea in thatversion the groom one the king is toned into a frog by a wicked witch. Butthat's not why it's interesting. It's interesting because of all theconnections between which is abroad and the two thousand man Disney animatedfilm, the Princess and the frog and which is abroad, came the full of wellbefore yeah, which is a broad in Yon Thousand Nine hundred and ninety one ayeah. I does nine and I still don't think it exists, despite havingactually seen it now right. So just for ages, s Ay when you saw the catalog oflike Disney movies, I'll, be like what...

...the fuck is, that one I've never seenhis arts, it's probably in the gap where I become you know old, I'm acheout of Disney about two thousand and nine I'm nineteen to well out of theTagarma Ket, okay, but I say the youngest sisters that I would take tothe movies and I'd taken to see brave and all the kids going to pet good, andI just missed that one and then I look and I be like what is this fuckingmovie that I've never heard of like? Even if you haven't seen the movies yousee like Disney Printers Shit everywhere and I've never seen anythingfrom it. Okay, anyway, I fili watched it in preparation for this podcast andit's fine all right like me to do see. At bestshe has a dream: Yeah, okay, we'll get to yeah, there'ssome near Liberis Bushi in there, but yeah, I'm so big. You like this reve Ibrought up before, and you really I like yeah this one brave and tangle, orprobably my favorite, rot yeah yeah, which I I brave of those brave, is myfavorite and I really like war, mostly because you know where there's yeah but mom, it's just mabe. So there'slots of obvious connections right. Seven brothers said in New Orleans or aNew Orleans ask type of place. Yeah Genus, based on New Orleans, prachesexplicitly said that, as we will discuss later and then you've got thisrude and baron Saturday is the main antagonised ye the movie, but thatmovie is actually based on another post monnaire tower vision, which is the twothousand and two children's novel the front princess by Ed Baker. Okay. Now,if you want to hear more about that, you can go and listen to the princessand a frog episodes of the Disney story. Origins podcast- that we talked aboutthe story in that book is quite different from the movie. Apparently,it's just like an Otacite. Only that book is not said in New Orleans justsit in a generic European fantasy world, okay, nor is there any brute whichmakes the resemblance to which is a broad sort of even more curious. So Idon't know what that like, how they both get to New Orleans voto from veryterror revision like is it just that frogs, equal swamps and swamp Erin, YOUORLEANS, and in fot of that? I think it's think to what you're about to talkabout a little bit ago, yeah. Well, I think this is a bit of a tangent, but Ido want to address some of the things that the presenter of the Disney storyor Gens podcast, Paul J Hale, says on these episode. So he points out thatthe film version is very specifically dated to the ear. We were one throughreferences made in the film to widows. It was the president of the UnitedStates during the war yea, and he also points out that the film isanachronistic, since there is no depiction of black segregation Yep,which is particularly interesting since the film features the first and onlyblack Disney princess and in the film she loses her father in the war. Now asHAL points out, this is kind of bullshit, since there was likesegregation that existed in the army as well and there's a whole thing aboutAfrican Americans so mean were war one yea, but he defends this decision tolike not include that in the film saying that if it was meant torepresent fancy and a better version of history for children to aspire to it'sa movie about frogs and princesses and chasing your dreams as it, which Ithink would be fine. If, if Disney had decided to depict a nebulous, imaginary,Mormng history right. This is just all time in the Orleans. But the fact thatthey're specifically dated it to worry Wilson and well what one? I don't knowwhy they've done that. But then, if you're going to put that in there thenyou're presenting a version of the past, that's sort of I want to say whitewashing, but obviously that what it is well yeah. I guess I would beappropriate and the bit that particularly rankles with that isDiana's annoying friend, the one and all the files ors her father is called,be daddy yea and that's a name after associated with like sugar plantationtypes. Do not so you don't like Tennessee Williams, I mean who does? Idon't really know routine a far but straight comin desire yeah. I don'tknow a en like cat hopson roof again. Big Daddy is an interesting antagonistprotagonist in Er and big Dan, like he is a tycoon of a shopland yeah. So it'seven more on the note for me through that and then and Disney's like saying,Oh we're doing commentary on it, but they're, not it's! Your children haveto go up and learn the history on their own to actually recognize the problems.Otherwise they just end up thinking. History was all fine and Dandy yeah,rather than giving them sort of an idealized thing to aspire to is givingthem an idealized past to paint over. Exactly, as I mean, I pocahontas atleast showed racism o yeah, especially when the messages of the frog princessfilm is all about having you just need to work hard to achieve your dreams.Yeah pop work in the home movie to open our restaurant, but I don't thinkthat's going to happen while segregation doesn't think why she's notallowed or yeah a restaurant in the same areas with the white customers andevery the wealthy white custom is like this isn't happening. So, no matter howhard she works, so yeah yeah, but this is an example, is to bring it back towhich is abroad. Is this as an example of short of stories reshaping history,so children who grow up watching the film and don't question? It grew upwith the idea that everything was Hunky Dory for African Americans in th tiesand that they should simply pull themselves up by their Brutta eBrotheri'm sort of cautious here to...

...clarify that I'm not criticizing Hale,no, who, in the most recent episode he up loaded, he's pretty distressing. Hesort of describes a lot of Fan, Marwick, not far mail that has gotten sayingthat he gets cold a racist and- and things like that, I don't think he's aracist right. We're not saying that, but there is quite a bit of politicalcorrectness gone mad in some of his delivery that I wish he turned downyeah. But I m not criticizing him, I'm criticizing what Disney's doing hereyeah. But what I think hale is overlooking is how stories shapepeople's perceptions of the world and regardless of the reality or empiricalfacts which is precisely what preches pointing at it. I I mean that's genuineyeah yeah. It's interesting that this film, the RUPES NTS or reflects to usethe mirror analogy which is abroad so much it's sort of reiterating the thingthat preched is specifically rallying against him, which is a broad in onthat thought. Oh Yeah gone, so I went looking for something on petrick bogthe other day and I are put up some in such a dealer in no. I was somethingelse it was seting related or, and then I saw about the time that I asked himfor bookshop recommendations for Sydney. He then obviously done a real thingabout it at the fire like a cute and then a bunch of other popes, and he hasdone a whole post about the phrase put a pin in it and basically proven thatthe phrase is actually to do with women reading because they would reach for asewing thing which in those days were so long wooden things and then pop itin his book mark and that's Ike, that pit for epine and they like, likereally methodically, works to and he's like it's not this and the ox addictionis wrong everyone's wrong. It's this! I figure it out every one sit down thatblow post over and I'm like. That's some good shit. That's yeah, there'sspecific fairy tale sort of dealt with a bit on the stanwick coming up, butnow I want to zoom out a bit and talk about Disney himself, because we disneyhim sack dise himself en themselves, but Disney Corporation evil or not. OhYeah, yeah, your wave, yeah kind of not because the O ye one three businessdays. Its Jane Jena is not just New Orleans.It's Disney lial, most specifically, it is Disney World M. preter said discuss,is a bit more later. That January is inspired by Disneyland and New Orleans.It's a conflation of those two places, but yes, we've just spent a lot of timetime now this portals talking about the Disney dotations, the Disney printersand things, because the shapes of these scores that we are most milar withthese days come from the popular animated, Disney films of the Mid andlate twenty centuries and beyond. Now, I guess, but the twenty first centuryones like tangled that we were talking about and even frozen a more suppersyeah, whereas it's the sort of mid twenty century stuff. That is thesetraditional Servati, conservative, Patriarchal Perota values wit and assome of points out. These are as much revisions of proceeding fairytales asthe later person on one and you start to see what we consider the traditionaldays being subverted in the later Disney relaces films of the nine S,which is something don't Rese has written about in. Yet how, in the ninesfilms, the Princess has become more independent, more capable and moreathletic as well. Like you have just men Pulvan everything is, there waszero observes. The princess who emerges from this kingdom is not the sameprincess who emerged from the tales of pro all the brothers grim or from thefor or the past. All She characterizes the classic Disney Prentiss, as such asnowroad Cinderella or well, is like don't have names M, which is somethingany time you do any feminist analysis of anything. The first thing peoplepoint now is that women don't have name. Yes, so she characterizes these classicDisney princesses as e Bodiments of Hollywood starlets in the earlytwentieth century middle class. Later, however, in the Disney renesse films ofthe late one S, a N S, which came out approximately two decades after thedeath of Wat Dis me himself when the studio came under the control ofManagement Group led by Michael Isman, the Disney princesses of the Disney ornesace became more independent, capable of moving with the growth of sportwomen rather than domesticated servants. They had to fumigate the Disney out ofit, but again like to me. Is this just fitting female figures andtraditionally male roles? It's yeah? It's not mainly it's not reallybringing together. The two is that they're being capable but they're sortof they're, just filling in the roles of what the men would usually do, andthey have to hide some of their capabilities. Jazaniah yeah, I mean thepossible counter. Example. This is bell from eating the beast, who seems a bitmore balanced, she's, a bit more, like self determined, he reads: Yea andshe's, like she's the protagonist, rather than I guess, proconsulprotectest as well, but like Milan, which I have a lot of problems withthat movie. That movie is bad way begin, but she is literally taking on a man'swrong. That is the port of that movie, and the Big Song for is will make a manout of you Rad, but also all these dissi movies, with the exception ofTalana. Also my favorite Disney movies, because I grew up in the nineties andI'm a dudes in like Fuckin ing, let's go yeah. Is this a good time for us toso I came out on Disney films for a bit for. Do you have anything to say aboutDisney films? I don't like the earlier...

...ones, it's not to the ninety ninethousand of my life. I didn't even I only like being the base because shehad the library- and I think that's every academic I met is like Oh yeah,but she rei could never get behind the people who are like are, but the baseis sexy to still don't understand that Guason is the worst and it goes notfucking sucks, but he's meant to suck in those movies where he would havebeen the hero exactly. I do think, though, that some people get behindguest on, like I met some dudes at school, who are like Oh but guest, tons.Pretty cool, though Tinnoch boys are not on good more no, but that's how,when you're a teenage girl and you're like what and I'm in tripists that a the e theOne were over. Looking that I know you like is Hercules. I Love Hercule. Iknow you came to not like it. I I N T I did not like it. I was just. I recentlyreally watched it because we were talking about how much we love Herculesand then I went we watch it. It wasn't as good as I remember, there's a lot ofdown time, essentially when to come away from it was it's only great whenHades is on screen yeah. I know I know, but there's also like a so much coolmatter is what all the illusions? It's definitely the most subversive andrevisions in the sense of these nights. Films, welts up, probably gain. Wetalked about this. You like it's so from yeah, it's pretty get. They changeit around. So yeah they say is this was defeated the Tatons or something, but Isort of through the time, and they make us look like a good guy throughout thefar like fuck Shuck, O sucks and Hercules actually kind of sucks too,and I do think it's good. I just I also come off re watching getting the beastand the animation of of Hercules. Is it's not the same yeah? It's not theAtuli, some of the best music right, that's true! I I think it has the bestNotta yeah. He Point Yeah. There is a guy on twit. I can send you the thing.Maybe you can put it in. Who does these great breakdowns of like specificlittle details that Disney of included in that which have a lot of treted, somany thess, a very cool? The only thing I remembered was learning that make isbased on the shape of pots and then questioning a lot of how I feel aboutpot. But the other thing about these filmsis there we get this threat of female Acambaro Ers in direction of thesefilms are all dudes is frozen. I can't make it step in it. Let me look it up.It was Jenifer LE, so that's a and Chris Buck, although reworded to be twowomen, so they could have the duet of what he going. I really listen to theDisney princess death. Death battle have been recommending that to people Iactually in something. No, I just go. I know some people who ve really cane onthat, but I don't like worsaae observes the title of Disney princess becameincreasingly democratic during the second half of the twentieth century,even being extended to encompass non human animals in films like lady, inthe trim, the Eristica and the line, an one thousand nine hundred and fiftyfive to Vorty of the trial o yeah. I mean that sort of on dolge. I came I abit that it's that old yeah, although lady isn't really, I don't know if shecancers a princess. If we want to get technical where it's not over, the linein is a process. Did we learn on that? Did We totland on? Did the people onthe Disney podcast in included because they were just doing humans yeah? Wediscussed, I thought yeah, we discussed it, but the argument wasn't whether shewas a princess. I agree now like he is definitively a princess right. Theargument was whether she beats human people in a do. That was the ADO. Wasit okay? Yeah, you were saying lion be human, but I was pointing out thatGaston has a sort and a Gad. I thought it was the princess best princess there.Oh yeah, that might have been scarf yeah. I think you were on the side linebeats human and I was on the side. I came a be flying because all the Disneyprocess is armed magical but she's a lot. I I mean the war this I point out. I think now the fitsthe old Disney princess. Yes, she most now white on water, N, she's, justflopping about and seven as the Yeah Cinderella gone sleeping beauty she'sjust wanting there for the take, but he got no r up against Jasmine al a line.They got a fuck, a bitch up M. I need to see it during this period. They alsoceased being orphans and became quote Doni's little girl. So, for example,was durazno points out. Dere was the favorite daughter of King Trotton,whereas Jasmine and perker hunters are beloved, only children a gone about theLittle Mermaid Yeah. So you know is Goto like swim to get the person. JustDrown- Oh, I wasn't even there yet. I was just thinking that there actuallythey do stipulate in death battle podcast that they take the princessesas they are. The end of the film was dumb. What's her name? Well, that theargument is that they've gone through their full ark? That's meant to betheir final vices, human, just just ceto yeah. I think there's nothing.There is so no defeat Aral yeah, a oderwise also observes not one ofDisney's princesses has a mother or a brother Tinoset. When she does his Os,not Oline, she said she's like you can go with Simba. She like rapit, is not aprincess then, or she know she becomes a prince. I O man, an Ma, so she's didby the INCAS of the wine to get killed yeah. But the point here is thatmothers are still demon on us so that we comes all she is yeah. I mean RicansKindof the reversion of the latest of...

...votion, even though it's maybe in themost feminist Le Subversive it's still modelled on these old fairy tale. Soit's carrying through some of those implications. I guess the one Disneyfilm that goes like way in on the mother stuff is brave, but even thenshe gets turned into a bear and raised by their father through the wholeBinandere like Bambi, the mother gets killed. I know it's not just newprincess thing, but got down that's just stories. Batt awsome to thattraumatized you I I never really watched baby, probably because when Iwon the era as like, don't watch this, but oh yeah, I watched it once and thatwas enough yeah, it's not one. That was really a mind rotation. I mean I wasvery that the nice stuff was. I watch because I was born one thousand ninehundred and ninety. That's our opinions about Disney but went to the expertssay Alice can so Jack Sips who, as we mattia in partmine, is the academic authority. When it comes to ferry. Tell revisionsargues in the chapter breaking the Disney spell from one thousand ninehundred and Ninety Four Book Fairy Tale as Myth Myth as fairy tale that thegreat magic of the Disney spell is that he animated the fairy tale only totransfix audiences and divert their potential utopian dreams and hopesthrough the false promises of the images he cast upon the screen thatfurther observns. How does nee uses his specifically American group andIngenuity to appropriate European fairy times? That's another thing: We'regetting Americanized versions of all these traditionally in the war, actualdream is embedded and all note yes, the opposite of Ove. Oh No, let's Lipe saysthat, although the plots varied and the themes and characters are altered, hisAmerican is fairy tales, only reinforce and patriarchal symbolic order, basedon rigid notations of sexuality and genda. Nothing new here just this iswhat the big guy is saying, because I sit well and he does not like dismeshis Chapter Walt Disney civilizing mission in he thousand nine hundred andeighty three book fairy tales in the art of subversion is like for theargies. The Disney Ferrato Revolution was a major regression and cause manyof the liberating aspects of the fairytale to retained and turned inagainst themselves, stating that the Disney civilizing process leads to thegeneration of Utopia, so yeah literally being yes, Tis to fear. I go rightabout how to stove is not the opposide of Utopia and he actually on the sideor Ninole. But you hit me with the thementor in Candidate N S N, a thongs that, since the cinematicmedium is a popular form of expression and is accessible to a larger public,Disney actually also returns the fairy tale to a brought our audience in themajority of people. But still he characterizes Disney films as an attackon the literary tradition of the fairy tale which robs the literary tale ofits voice and changes its form and meeting. As I've observed. Disney'semphasis is on purification, preparing oneself to become chosen and a memberof the elite, and he says that this American cleansing process, which isbased on meritocracy, replaces the old smater of the European Fair Tale, whileat the same time restoring Nursians of hierarchy, an Litis, reinforcingredundant, behavior and leading to aesthetic disturbing vision of theworld like they're, just appropriating it all and forcing it through like aValtesi American values. So, like describes Disney to stop in clothingprocess in the falling mat, he says that in disneys films, the technologytechnique, artistic appeal takes president over the stories themselves,so that people are sort of carried away by the spectacle, rather than engagingwith the narrative and reflecting on its messages and that, although inDisney films, these traditional fairy towl characters are foot out to becomemore realistic and more for characters. There still remain one dimensionalstereotypes, and he says these seductive. Stereotypical images areexported through movie screens to colonize other natural audiences. In sofar as the ideas and types I portrayed his models of behavior to be emulated.Essentially it's not just contained to America. This is like world wideFinvara the world right now, just every one can have the American dream. Youget the microdots America dream. Well, I mean the fact that you're explainingthat you through Brassy- ah no, I know what is well pertinent, which is abroad.However, is that ZIP also says that what makes Disney is artistry Pauli War,no matter how delightful some of these characters and seems to are, is therepetition of a patent typical of Hollywood and Borowa musicals, whichrepeat the same romantic endings, pointing out that from Snow Light andthe seven dwarfs onwards are through pety and the beast, writers anddirectors and Disney scars have all operated within the same formula. So aswe discussed before things up of change in the nineties, but it's not thedetails of these stories. It's the structure of them that is re enforcingyour behavior on, which is what proces welling against Yep, which is broad.There was a addresses, lives, criticisms in her two thousand fourarticle, the Princess and the Magic Kingdom Yea, as the wall Disney isperhaps more than any other ferry to teller, with the exception of mother,goose betrayed as a fairy tale figure himself and that, instead of beingportrayed as a story, teller, he is...

...instil portrayed as a prince and a Kingof his own magic king that rat his little kicks out yeah, which itself isan international conglomerate whose corporate worker is a that's. I wasthinking that immediately, I'm like Oh yeah, he's cop for he's a King PrinceCorporation, oh no, as I've observed, no wit is another story that was madeeven more conservative and patriarchal by Disney in the grins version of Starwhat the prince is absent till he in the story, and it's not his kids, thatrevived now white, but the dwars accidentally jolting the piece ofpoison apple from her throat when they're carrying a coffee and they sawa Stamplin they play pop over man. Oh, she was a libel, so we getting. Thisidea of true loves first kisses something that's installed later. Howof a Disneys version, which is Disney's first major success and kicks off thewhole dise process, the begins with the prince singing a song of devotion toSnow White and it's his kids. That turns out to be the only antedote tothe queen's poison comments. Conclusion Disneys, reinforcement and extension ofthe groom's Patriarchal Ideology Lead Apes to declare him their perfectdisciple, even suggesting the Disney figures himself, as the prince in hisversion of Snow White lurking in the background, while the disenfranchisedwarf do all the work and then swooping in to take a credited, yeah. Okay, Ifollow his ipes, but also that's some googling govern in the bad does some doand your Bagal Shit Yeah will clarify that and cop hang on for that guys. So,of course, lilas mirrors are an allusion to the evil acquaintanth, whoare so mere mirror on the wall, who's, the fairest of them all, alas, apparently they're on show down, ironically, compared to which is abroad,where Marris can only create false imitations, the Queen and the groomsversion of. So what he's made content, because she knew the mirror always toldthe truth in the grooms version- She's also another Ergo Cannibal, who wasdescribed as wicked and eat what she thinks: a snow, White's, liver andlungs brought back by the hunts. Oh dog she's, also the one who is forced towear the heated in slippers and dance as Snow Wis wedding until she does thenso that's where we get lily's reference to putting on the red hot shoes anddancing the night away and which is abroad and the grim far tail how the wecould queen danced on red hot shoes in pace of time, there's a bit of tensionin which is broad, however, because lily resents, which is being made todance to death, while everyone lives heavily over after which is fair enoughfor an IM on Tay at this point. But then she goes about it by enforcing orreinforcing the kind of stories whose narrative calls out the causes, whichis to be treated like this. In the first place. I don't, I really I'm notreally sure what Lily's motivation is. I'm sure I think it's just practicbeing like halet. We throw a match on this, but o and just employs the ideaby turning it back on itself, like you can't just keep goin demonizing witchesjust because, like their women, and they have this role he's like they'repeople too, but yeah. It doesn't quite make sense to me loglady. She wantscontrol, but she doesn't like. The way story is portrayal which is so she'smaking the world act like a story that Devin has his matches, I'm not quitesure how that works, riding in the two thousand and six second edition ofFairy Tales in the artises zips hops. The film such as the Trick Series, aPopular Studio, gible film, spirited, Away Castle, meant that fairy taleswould again be used to question the demigration of Utopia. However, hecautioned that the establishment of more open ended, type of Utopian fairytale films in America would depend not so much on changes in the culture andindustry, but more on real social changes in the ideological band of theAmerican people and how they try to impose that vas of democracy on othercountries in the world. I mean yeah, but yeah he's running this in t h out,O six and sorry to say that this could not happen. Did Not Happen. It nothappen. Not only America not become a well, not a utopia but became moreconservative more imperialistic, but for sing, happened, M and sort of allthat progress. Gone e princess is a back in yeah and they're slightlysubversive compared to earlier dosing princesses his in my grave yeah. Thisdidn't happen. I mean yeah you do have frozen, is a story about two sistersrather than I mean it passes the back to yes, that's about it, yeah Malona! Idon't like man just because I think the Rock fucking sucks in that MovieMinimum Ranged Music O. I do well because the next I was going to saythat fucking hate the music in that feel. Really, I tried to watch out aFIT A no. I switched it off because I just hated the music and I hated therock singing and I did not like it. Okay, I didn't like the crab bad gocrowd. We're going to get behind. She is perhaps a little bit more subversivewhat the Disney printers death about people lose their mind over her. Oh, Iforgot, of course, yeah yeah. They love on me, ten speak to me now. I can seethat one is a bit more subversive than I'm not thinking about it, but it needsto really watch. It is having very independent who using a femininity. Theother thing here, apart from like sort of the Disney princess for IANSA thesepost, modern subversions fly check and things get sterilized trick, becomes amem that becomes this nless series of sequels that no one cared about, but soget shit like despicable me and the man he everything becomes yes sterilizedpersonal responsewhere that just...

...becomes the Teton yeah strike did havemeaning, but it yeah it becomes when even how's moving castle itself is A. Ithink, a sterilized version of that fairy tale. Have you read Don in joywhen I was very young, I don't love the houseworn custom move. I think that isnothing that it's way too long and I think it perhaps Wales with spectaclewrong, ately fledge characters, but I mean it's completely written to be ananalogy for the the Japanese warts, but in the book like it's dark at the end,they like rip people's heads off on. Thus they like House Women Castle- Ienjoy watching it, but how himself is such a Shit because he bore rock yeahhe's Byronic and that's why people like him- and I get a Noi- do thinkretrospect. You're right about greer Grivois, not Bironic, can think youhe's not sulky enough. Okay, all right as it's not tortured, like he's jesting.That aspect lay right. Conversely, Dura zero points out that in one thousandnine hundred and fifty nine sleeping beauty, the three fairy godmothers giveup their magic ones for housework, and these three tiny ugly fairies are theactual rescues of the princess, simply working through the prince throughtheir rescue from Malifice Don Chin, which does remind me of we asisted Apinfor the point Darwaza is making here. Is that, although sleeping beauty isn'tthe agent of change of action in the film, it is still the elderly, which isthrough fairies that who they rescue the prince before he rescues sleep indid we do all the work? So, even though sleeping beauty seems like the moremost conservatives is in film, it is for the closest to crochets weedsisters, subversion, okay, I follow you yeah, so I'm gone on there. So I wantto finish up part two by talking a bit about Disney a have you been no I'vebeen to the PARIONE. It was pretty CA. I don't like humans, so I mean I likeroller coast ever roller coasters, there there's A. I was so terrified byall the humans. It was a chromatic experience, all right yeah, but no, Ihaven't been so according to correspondence with the l pace, enitesprejidis on January, as New Orleans when a magic kingdom grafted on top ofit, which he came out while driving from Atlanta Florida, where Distinworld is to nearlings, noticing that in one place you go there and find asmanufactured a present to you one, the other, you just eating drinking out alot of fun habits more genuine, so he this is something that bridgephilosopher. Jean bordered also noticed when defining the central person modernconcept of the similar crap, which we brought up almost at re episode. Ithink so the way he explains and not very clearly at all. We spent days ofdeciphering this to try and come up with a clear explanation of the SimalAcron, we'll see you, I've succeeded so, according to Border Lot, a similar CROMis a simulation ill signifie of something for which there is no longerin original. It's a it's a copy of something that's become it's our ownthing, Yep and replace the original. This is something that Phil K. DickTalks about a lot I mean has a book called the similar ACRA, but similarcres and his books are the were what they are, the indors, a blade run orthere whereabouts that, instead of being copies of people, have becomepeople themselves, I'm folly actually an this is the most I've understood it,okay at all, in our friendship, so boot says this is the end result ofthe cultural process or procession through four orders of simulation,which he explains using boys in thousand nine hundred and forty sixstory on exactitude in science, which is the story of the map that becomesthe territory and border up again. This definition of the similar saying youwant to read this one. If find, we are able to be the voges story in which thecartographers of the empire drop o episode, detailed that it ends upcovering the territory exactly as the most beautiful allegory of simulation.This favor is now come full circle for us and possesses nothing, but thediscrete charm of second order, similar today abstraction is no longer that ofa map. The double the mirror of the concert simulation is no longer that ofa territory of referential being or a substance. It is the generation bymodels of a real without origin or reality are hyperia. The territories nolonger precedes the map, nor as it survive it, it is nevertheless the mapthat precede the territory and if one must return to the fable today, it isthe territory whose shreds slowly roped across the extent of the map is, isliterally the first paragraph or Botas. Explanation of the similar ar ground isas good as it gets. This is as clear and, of course, is a translate yeah,I'm trying to sort of break this down, so the first order of similarsimulation is a simple map. You know it's a representation of something thatalready the thing yet in the second order that Mac and the territory areindistinguishable, is a perfect representation capable of replacing thereal thing but still existing alongside this is the boy's story, where the mapis so exact that you laid on top of the territory. You can't tell Othys, Ipolly this far right. It's also like, if you make a perfect copy of somethinglike I guess art a May claim to you claim me, but I'm still here right,yeah now, two of maybe you can't tell which one we origin as a copy. It is arich gun yeah now in the third order, which is the order of the hyper realthat defines post one ISM that Ortis talking about here, the territory isreplaced by the map, which also masks or hides its absence. So if your clinekilled you yeah and just went about living my life- and you didn't knowthat I was dead. You just thought I...

...just it's still josh, but it's not it'ssomething else that you can't tell a part in the boy he story. This is theidea that you've covered the territory with the map, and then everyone justgoes about walking on the map, because it's effectively the same thing livedup the mat in the way a number metats disappeared and that's terrifying,because the point is that you don't know. Yes, you can't out you don't knowyou can't tell at the point. Is that real and simulation become bird? And wesort of see this like? Oh now, we're wearing. I don't know if we wave theimpostors but he's running this in. I think it's the sits. Writing this. Wewell be on that right, like the Internet is not even a thing you thinkabout the Internet and Yeah Er on names yeah, Oh my God, and even like secondlife and things where yeah you have people going by their screen, name andstuff like what is their real identity. It's sort of this idea that, becauseeverything is manufactured, what's real, but things like where you have like twitter, bots and things wherethey feed them done, and then they can an e produce like an Acdt, some orsomething just from data gathered from, and then they spit out a song that mayas well be an Acdt some. So if you put a bunch of flacid and robe and theywrote, handle e Ackrit Ers, that would be a similar for a family. That wouldbe a second order, similar Accor of Hamlet, it's an effective which is, asfar as I follow this for that to be a third order, person onhope for us. I, like, I think you would have to replace Shakespere with a giantplace. Big. Okay, I'm pretty sure, that's what it is so yeah boas writing this in theseventies, where this was just an idea of sort of a thought experience I thinkwe're past is like we've been through Porson SM. If we're not out the otherside of it like Alypius post truth is the idea of some wage. What's realtakingest we've been living with this, so I wean were between three and fourat the stage. Now, the fourth and final level, there is no real everything issimilar, which wit. So this is a kind of there. Sometimes we have ourselvesand we have our online social media, but what? If just there were no realpeople and there was just a bunch of Social Med we're not far away fromthere are we, I guess, able to go a step further? What if there were nopeople and somehow social media was just thisperpetuated thing like everything when you feed that you said, as you lyricsand as man easy sprang in to that, but the brains, a that to know the Chineseroom experiment. Yeah Sothis is philosophical, thot experiment to sortof try and explain the difference between consciousness and robotic smand the other of the Chinese room. As you have a Chinese speaker in one room,and you have a non Chinese speaker on the other room and the person whodoesn't speak Chinese has to translate something into Chinese one one at thetime they wrote. I wore on a piece of paper and they slip it through the doorand the person in the Chinese the translates into Chinese and returns it,and you build up the message that way right and then you give the people whowanted the Chinese translation you give it to them, but the person who's done,the translation, the non Chinese figger they don't understand what they've donethey've just like done is Curacoa the idea: how to define artificialintelligence like you are robots able to think or are they just running thisprocess? Yeah, that's right! So what? If you had something like that, wherewe fed a aurificate intelligence and ough data that it could replicate facebook and have all these people talking to each other right? But none of thesepeople exist. There are no more people in the world, but they may as well bepeople in. It is the same thing to running yeah it's been left up. Doesthat make sense yeah so like is that in the Matrix of the Matrix is, are someokay right so yeah, but that's the third auto. Maybe we can't tell what itis round, whereas maybe t e the fourth out it is to get out of the Matrix andinstead there being the real world there. Just is no reward. There's notthe anti should use that instead of the Shan inception. Oh No, we sonsiefiction, yeah Jesus Crate. The other thing is on re specifically. This isall tide to these science fictor, truces because borderline in this, notin the same essay, but in the same collection. Where he's trying to workat some work. I says that science fiction is part of this defines threeother modes, and I haven't run these down. This is all coming off me. Ithought I might fuck this up, but this is the way simalier producing he says.The first point is Utopia, and this is the idea that there's another world,that we should imitate that. The second mode is science fiction, which is anattempt yes had trying to connect ideals to the real world, and then thenext version is person. I e you can't tell what's real, what's differentfirst on it sure things, but I guess, like that's fancy right like were he'stalking about the way people think a thing. So these are differentcategories to what he's talking about earlier. But if we look at these fourstages of simulation that is defining in the processions of Acra, if thefirst is an imitation, that's real restriction, right, yeah, yeah, asecond break me, the second one, which is you can't tell them a pot likewhat's e, what isn't? Maybe that is science fiction? It saying it's afantasy, but it's like the real world than the third of water, where there isno real world. It's all just that's person on ISM right and may beprismoids fiction, but then, where everything is simulation there is nowill he's so ma, fantasye yeah yeah. So...

...it's a fancy. This is a complex personon fridge philosophy concept, but this is important relevant because Bordellospecifically uses Disneyland as an example to explain simple ACRA. Do youwant to read borderlands description of Disneyland. Elise sure do Disneyland is a perfect model of allthe entangled orders of similar Gra. It is first of all a play of illusions andPhantasms, but what attracts the crowds? The most is, without a doubt, thesocial microcosm, the religious miniaturized, pleasure of real Americaof its constraints and joys, thus everywhere in Disneyland the objectiveprofile of America. All its values are exalted by the miniature and the comicstrip, embalmed and pacified. For this mask something else, and thisideological blanket functions is a cover for the simulation of the thirdorder. Disneyland exists in order to hide that it is the real country all ofReal America. Disneyland is presented as imaginary in order to make usbelieve that the rest is real, whereas all of Los Angeles and the America thatsurrounds it are no longer real but belong to the hyper real order and theorder of simulation this world wants to be childish in order to make us believethat the adults are elsewhere in the real world and to can sell the factthat true childishness is everywhere, and it is adults themselves become hereto act. The child, in order to foster allusions as to their real childishness,so have no idea what he's saying yeah, but the fuck man a it right. So whatare you? What do you pick out that you just read it Disneyland? Is the ideathat it's a childishness yeah and like? Oh, there are no adults here, but thereare. I don't know how that's a sin. Afer there Smith explains to Bordelon.America is pros. Monism in cant and DIS inland exists to divert the attentionin the same way that prisons tell citizens that they are free becausethey are not at prison, doesn't want to tell citizens that rationality holtsway outside its boundaries yeah. The idea is, the Disney lands meant to bethe fancy. So it's the break from real life, but he's saying Disneyland,Israel, life and the rest of America is a fantasy which I sort of get. This isthe thing where you define something by its opposite is I think what he'ssaying is the only reason that people don't go crazy in the real world thatthey don't just go. This is all bullshit is because we have this escape.The real doesn't exist without the escape to run away to it. So we need asimilar. Well, I don't know where the similar lacret's not simulating thereal world. It's just balancing it, but I guess I guess what he's saying is theAmerican dream is a fantasy. Yes, like bloom, Indo yeah. This is whatpracticing is that everyone in that day today, life is playing out. The story I,like wit, has a happy ending at the end yeahyeah. So that makes sense you just not saying it very clearly. I don't. Icouldn't tell that was great running a ferrovia terrible wonders, fuckingimpossible. I feel better. So, as we discussed the end of part, one of thepodcast on which broad the wizard of wall or thou think bark talked aboutbuying an island and building Utopian Hotham Park on it, which obviouslyDisn't get with these theme parks, but, along with the Disney land and Disneyweld them parks. Disney also attempted to establish the experimental pernetycommunity of tomorrow, project or Ecod, which became the tomorrow landattraction and that terrible movie, I'm at Florida Disney world which Genu wasbased on and turned into its surrounding township of celebration,which was established in the s. So this is Disney attacting to set up a UtopianCommun to live by the morals that he is preaching in the Disney films, but itdoesn't want it does it because it's only an idealized version of it. Itcan't ever be real. I have no idea, but I guess I'm bringing this up to saythat Disney didn't just see this as a fantasy. He was trying to build anidealize, not just an idealized escape. He was trying to build an idealizedconshider is, is Disney's idealized, township, actually and idealizedtownship ers it just Disney's idealized. What do in so o Atria the lot of sortof flip that she wants to say that Disn't learn is the real world. I'm notsure. Do you have any thoughts about? I guess that's the point. Anuas,represented is real, even though it's actually made up with all of thesestories that we recognize, and then we sort of forget that their stories,because they become real character, so becomes a similar fright. Yeah. Am Igetting it yeah? I don't know absolutely no idea, yeah. No, I say:Doesn't it so hang on what we through that again in genuine? It's made up ofall of these different stories, but we kind of lose the original storiesbecause of the relation like the way Pratchett these stories together intosomething new. That kind of replaces the thing right. So there, likeimitations of things, the simulations of far tels yeah, but then it becomessomething new. You want said the old ones, kind of get lost or okay. I thinkI'm following in of let's obstruct this away from precints, because,specifically, if we're just talking about revise fairy child in general,they are a copy yeah copy, essentially as Fer. If we go away from project likethe grooms are riding here. Is We've copied out of the folklore here is. Theversion of the story is an imitation of the clause, but then everyone forgetsabout foot claw and the groom sale has the original yeah yeah and then thesame note with Disney. Now everyone thinks very tells about true mole foskiss, because that's what his things perpetuating yeah and it has ice Yeah...

Leroy. Well, I went from notunderstanding a few hours ago to say were the gothic fiction is also a workon out ye get it now. It also all who wrote up the types shit there's notsaying only ten gentilly related to which is abroad. However, N Onethousand nine hundred and ninety two essay helps with bastards, which we'lltalk about a lot more when we get to o Om a East for obvious reasons, crochetsets. I'm writing this in Florida home a fantasy they've got some weird stuffhere. For one thing, they've got Disney M G M and Universal Studios, and thisis what's weird about them. They aren't really studios or they shoot some filmhere, but that's kind of secondary they warn't built a stuetze were built aswell as theme parks, those false frontages. Those awful back lads, thosefalse perspective streets. They were built for no other purpose than to looklike something which, in turn, was built to look like something shit built to look like something that isn'treal here in America and in England to a lesser extent, you can read newspaperarticles and Bi Oleg Books, which treat the characters played by TV styles asif they were real people. The world has gone strange. You can't tell thereality from the fantasy anymore, all right, Prachi, all right, so yeah,really like any film that you know if we watch like a lot of American filmson a lot of English films, and that becomes your understanding of Englandthat replaces the English. Yes, Oh, no yeah, the other thing to a Plat more reality.I stuff like things like. I don't want to make it be coming the governor ofCalifornia, because people think he is the guy from the movies they donunderstand, like his personality and his Ruby characters are now just onething and they think they've elected youtte. Sensations, I think, are a goodexample of that as well like it's. So I e the line between reality and fictionon Yout is so thin, yeah yeah an that's any kind of performance. This is whythe witches books are about the theleis pretend, but even then, like it'sacknowledged that it's pretend interesting but yeah things things likethe cult of celebrity and yeah things like the card Ashin, where people whoare famous or being famous or whatever it's that idea that there is nooriginal. They just celebrity. This might be so confusing because we'reliving in it like maybe if you're in the sis you can play with these sort ofexperiments more objective, but you re is version. Oh Yeah, there was thecrime of lot forty dimond things, but like we just like yeah, that's what hasfast shit happens. Now, I'm very kind of got a by my Pasingan. Nothing tellany more, I think was ever real else. That's the point. I know cool so yeah, that's that's part. Two!Next episode. The final part. We can talk about mirrors, we're going to shiton psycho analysis. We talk about little e on Tar, back crony weather. Axis bullshit imperialism. An talk about Miss Goggle, then, if you enjoy thisgoing off the defend about some ar acres, I've got a crazy theory aboutthe power of Carnival and pastate is parody, get into it, put a pin in itand wile. That's all for this episode of unseenacademicals there'll be another one along in a month, but if you can't waituntil then you can sign up our patronage and get all the episodes offull month in advance, along with any burnus episodes or specials that we endup doing if you're after more of us, Alice, horser and podcast of theDevil's Party, which traces the development of the satanic herothroughout Romantic and Gothic literature thinks to a Bible. Fiortoday show, along with the fully reference to foot. Not a transcriptshould be available in the episode description, thanks for listening andstay tune for some amusing attics. Now, if I can pull a columbo again andsay just one more thing about the princess in the frock, so the crocodileLewis, who wants to be the jazz musician in the princess a right now herecalls King Louie from the jungle book. Yep, whose petrol has been criticizedfor being a stereotype of black jake musicians and he's named after LouisArmstrong, Yeer, they wanted to cast in the jungle book, but they didn't wantto cast a black person as an ape, so he was played by the white just sing, howlily pro it's worse, somehow yeah. I don't really know where I fall down onthat one. Probably it's not great. He was from New Orleans, that's just acoincidence. There I am going somewhere with this. I promised and the princessin the frog, though, what was the Trumpet Plane Crocodile Isn't played bysomeone named Louy instead he's quite by the African American actor MichaelLeon Wooly, who is the bitch on blind guy? I need context the context on that.There was a terrible Sitcom starting report at least last year. I think makethe year before called Aj and the Queen as about a Rod, O body series betweenRupal, the Dro Queen and a small crib, but rue pole's housemaid, who is thisguy, is Lewis and he's blind he's not a real. The act is not like he's blindingthe show, and all he does is once an episode will cut back to the to whatLewis is doing in the apartment and he'll be doing something where he'sbland and the punch lies. Always he yells Bitha Blime, that's his catchplays, which has become a thing that me and my parter may say all the time,because I've got glasses and whenever...

I'm looking for my glasses, I askedwhere we were my glasses, because bitch I'm blind- and I have tried to sharethis with Alice- that now it's become a sin. Lake cause say, as is never seethe Sir just as I'm blind bitther way round. Don't I you that's the problemYeah Fitch on blind is that is way too big was an Abit. Interestingly, there he's character thepitcher bone guy. His name is also Louis, Oh yeah ewes all the way. Now Inow is that a reference to princess in the front like this is the God who wasLosin, that very he nice just staring out that doesn't pick up on the bark is a line case, not more distantprincess. No wasn't so I think she was cold or because theyscored on me. He really kind of grew yeah. It was attitude, but there's noautonomy, attitude, arras songs, a tire outfit. There was another, a one whichI can't remember, which I remember so. o animal companions route still think Jaskett cool, but shedoes. She can pull and she has a pet tiger. What more do you want to? Ta ispretty good and she can hold on that's not forget, but we're gonna. Do itNolan right now. I think now I gets Rilo, because what fine she doesnothing of her own, a cord. She goes off to find him or think she sets offon her. Your rocking yeah he's like a fuck. You scorn got to find Simba pots.For me, like do their decisions drive the plot. He has to go, find some RAI.Given like a tar, you I can he one sane. She makes one decision. I get fivebecause it's pretty important for the fit at a tent doesn't drop the PO. Yougot to get simmer back to get scar out of the Fried Lance. I so much more potyeah, but simper coming back is very and then she has to convince him tocome back as well, because he's like now, he couldn't Batata baby. No butthats like say because sleeping beauty was the lowest. I got to that possible.They E she's asleep for the homer. But that's like saying who is not hergarden to sleep drove the plot. There fore. She gets five for a time. Idisagree, but I can't moving esoteries. No, I think she's a bit proper, noshe's always like Simat stop be proper act real. What would you get it? I fivefine! I don't Hooshontko I mean I don't have I told you I didn't I wouldn'tsupport nor and I'm now behind Rapunzel a yeah. I know but, like you said,you're acting like a sucking taking a cab, but in theperfect point so far out of Ken I'm going out of ten because at five as offun, Oh Shit, okay, so two point five and then two point: Five, a Therotheca,the it she doesn't get a song does not go. Some on think no sing. She's partof sons she abets count, but she doesn't like. Does she ever see, Ithink, maybe she's in a yeah and in the new one she's at theend, when they do the reprise o se Li not be on S, I'm pretty sure it is in the one justremember. I think she sings a little bit of I just can't like the king. Solike two, I can she flatters Anibal companions. She is a snow and shegosherie pretty cool you like, so I like that a outfit she's, not I in so it weintparticular far right she's. Just a I don't think you can give her a tripotsnaked, a capabilities. She's fucking Lion Dri,but I don't think that is a good she's Goin to be fine. You or an loan bigtomb, yeah, so an feel in faster for while are they running omes of the day?The gods on me, I think, as a lion goes to bid on Geith. The lines were justrun away and the cats are like fuck. This, I'm out o a t. They be cat, thebush pro a big cats. They would run as on be Chopin. bottons on me, me d. Youget infected by eating is only a den, an a but defences a josher findprecedent, but like as a erway dark, get affected interesting, because thenthey do a full up, POCAS, which was Disney bill and death match, and thisreally was like you yeah if they for your wins R. Yes, yes, a Ha withsome,but I do know the a I don't know who we er, who the final cause. If you Googlein it comes up with an tells you he's a s e o The side between the two miles toa before. We reveal that unless you just ohadi I so thinking on my head, Iwent straight away. You went up Jaffa, yeah, he's a planet juggling genie like.I don't think you can talk at yeah you right, yeah has to do. I was like whowhois going to be fun to Magificent and...

...as like their magical powers right, butthen he s right, he's God of the under wor. I still think to five wins becausehe is, I was going to say, probably Hades, but I thought they're clearly atrue most powerful thing now. I don't know where hanging that up, but thefinal s to far and scar W, I thought scale would be first out on account ofbeing a lion like he's just an old shitty lion yeah, let's see just over on some the powersof camp, but even then hades is got in, and so I don't know who we fire and gason. I just figure. That's Tis right and you got like your men, like you, GuySongs and everything. As you realise thing, you've got witches yeah because,like the lives thing, then you've got literal Gods so fin and has yeah andthen below all that s like an sky has a good song, though, as one of the bestvillain songs like if you do just who is the coolest film scars run up there.This was literally like he would win in a fight. Like guess, don't beat SkyRight. Human no scar needs to be guessed on. Justfor me. I just need. I need that to sleep at night, guess on such a R. Iwant to see more violence as on have so as in a he's buff shit, even thenArchangel as out at Gos. Also Tunny Ed, like a hot dog. That's a Eresthenes,the odysseis. Every single scoff lot begins with thisthere's a stampede the other far time to look up after the only thing I fly opens absolutelycannot creant.

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